Can we please delay Savage?

[SinisterJoints]

+1 to the staggered release from me.

It's unbelievable how many people are opposing a one week delay on savage with very little legitimate reasoning other than "I don't want it delayed, not my fault you guys skip story". The point is that week 1 raiders/clearers don't have to feel pressured into skipping cutscenes/story so that they don't lose out on time progressing through savage.

Currently any week 1 raider is more or less required or encouraged to skip the Eden story otherwise they may miss out on that week 1 kill.

This can't be further from the truth. You don't have to skip a single normal mode cutscene and can get to progging savage day 1 without skipping. without feeling rushed. The fact is, its a choice you are making and SE, others and I shouldn't be hard pressed to cater a change for that.

That's not how this works.

The content is already quite shallow, all the delay will do is make it even more shallow.

[ForteNightshade]

Content being purposely and arbitrarily delayed results in having to wait longer to experience new content. Isn't the source of disappointment obvious? Have you not ever had some game, movie, TV show, or whatever delayed and experienced disappointment because you were anticipating it?

Experiencing new content is not all about getting the clear. For many people having a new raid simply represents having something new to do in the game, even if they aren't winning it right away.

I imagine you share this opinion with Heaven on High, Eureka, Blue Mage and the plethora of other content that was already readily available but intentionally staggered because, and I quote, "We felt there was too much content and didn't want people to feel overwhelmed."

And those players still get to experience all that content whereas players aiming for week 1 Savage don't. A week delay of Savage does not prevent you from enjoying the remaining content.

Hardcores that want more time to clear MSQ/normal/whatever do not speak for all hardcores, even if that's what they're trying to do by pushing their desires in front of everyone else who (reasonably) wants to see new content when it is actually ready to be released.

You also do not speak for the hardcore raid community. Therefore, it's disingenuous to claim delaying Savage would be a punishment. You can't know that any more than I can. Hence why I offered a suggestion I think would be beneficial. Given the reception, I think it's clear many share that opinion.

Yes, it was. Datamining was used to find all the debuffs in the raid, and one in particular was a key piece in figuring out how to get past true heart.

You do realize this makes no sense given only one group out of the thirty or so racing managed to figure out what the Heart debuff even did. And TPS showed video evidence they stumbled on it by complete accident and simply guessed. If datamines was key to figuring out the mechanic, why did a streaming group with no access to said datamines beat all the World racers except TPS?

The content is already quite shallow, all the delay will do is make it even more shallow.

By this logic, Ultimate should be extremely shallow that not even hardcore groups care about given it has a two week delay following the initial patch release despite there being no cut scenes or gear to halt progression. The mere idea delaying Savage by a week would cause people to lose interest is so laughably extreme, it borders on delusional.

Why respond as an "against this change" when it's almost entirely been met with vitriol? What this boils down to is "my gameplay experience is worth more then yours, so screw yours" on both sides.

The change won't occur because Square hasn't changed the formula in 6+ years, so the entire thread is pointless. But that's why you're not getting more "against" posters.

The current Coffer system would like to have a word with you about that.

[Fynlar]

It's unbelievable how many people are opposing a one week delay on savage with very little legitimate reasoning other than "I don't want it delayed, not my fault you guys skip story". The point is that week 1 raiders/clearers don't have to feel pressured into skipping cutscenes/story so that they don't lose out on time progressing through savage.

We're aware what the point is, thanks. Our point is that the rest of us shouldn't be punished with slower releases on release-ready content just because your raid group is impatient and pressures its members through story/normal content. That's taking a "you" problem and making it into an "everyone" problem.

[Sora_Oathkeeper]

This can't be further from the truth. You don't have to skip a single normal mode cutscene and can get to progging savage day 1 without skipping. without feeling rushed. The fact is, its a choice you are making and SE, others and I shouldn't be hard pressed to cater a change for that.

That's not how this works.

The content is already quite shallow, all the delay will do is make it even more shallow.

A) No where in my post did I mention that watching the story results in week 1 raiders being unable to raid savage on day 1. However taking the 2-3 hours to watch the cutscenes and do the fights could easily rob a team of a week 1 clear. Read again properly next time.

B) I'm not a week 1 Clearer so directing you comment to me personally is jumping to conclusions. But I can empathise with said raiders.

C) Please elaborate on why the content is shallow and that a 1 week delay would further shallow it?

Speak for yourself only, you do not represent SE, nor do I. But how is this a bad thing exactly? If you are worried that a week's worth of tomes would be an issue then surely SE could stick to the same concept upon expac launch? Weekly tomes and savage come together.

That's taking a "you" problem and making it into an "everyone" problem.

Again, i'm not a week 1 clearer. I enjoy watching the story, doesn't mean I can't empathise with those who do feel more encouraged to skip due to the way the content is released.

Further, you realise they stagger a LOT of content right and purposely hold it back for the sake of keeping the patch alive for longer. The relic quests we get are almost always staggered so that there isn't "too much content to do" at once. Usually anything that comes in a patch X.x1 or X.x5 patch is ready when the main patches drop. BLU level 60 was ready back in SB but they purposely said they wanted to stagger releases on that for no other reason other than they didn't want the level catching up to current expansions max level so your arguement is flawed on a few occasions.

Regardless, if that's your stance then there's no sense arguing as we will always disagree on this matter. You are against change and fairness for all because it doesn't fit your standard even though there is nothing inherently detrimental to the change and wouldn't affect anyone anymore than the 2 week wait from normal mode to savage mode does.

[SinisterJoints]

A) No where in my post did I mention that watching the story results in week 1 raiders being unable to raid savage on day 1. However taking the 2-3 hours to watch the cutscenes and do the fights could easily rob a team of a week 1 clear. Read again properly next time.

B) I'm not a week 1 Clearer so directing you comment to me personally is jumping to conclusions. But I can empathise with said raiders.

C) Please elaborate on why the content is shallow and that a 1 week delay would further shallow it?

Speak for yourself only, you do not represent SE, nor do I. But how is this a bad thing exactly? If you are worried that a week's worth of tomes would be an issue then surely SE could stick to the same concept upon expac launch? Weekly tomes and savage come together.



Again, i'm not a week 1 clearer. I enjoy watching the story, doesn't mean I can't empathise with those who do feel more encouraged to skip due to the way the content is released.

Further, you realise they stagger a LOT of content right and purposely hold it back for the sake of keeping the patch alive for longer. The relic quests we get are almost always staggered so that there isn't "too much content to do" at once. Usually anything that comes in a patch X.x1 or X.x5 patch is ready when the main patches drop. BLU level 60 was ready back in SB but they purposely said they wanted to stagger releases on that for no other reason other than they didn't want the level catching up to current expansions max level so your arguement is flawed on a few occasions.

Regardless, if that's your stance then there's no sense arguing as we will always disagree on this matter. You are against change and fairness for all because it doesn't fit your standard even though there is nothing inherently detrimental to the change and wouldn't affect anyone anymore than the 2 week wait from normal mode to savage mode does.

Did you just say 2-3 hours of cutscene watching will rob someone of a week 1 clear? First if you think normal eden cutscenes will take 2-3 hours to watch you are sorely mistaken (and thats what people are talking about, not MSQ) and 2nd, if 2-3 hours rob you of a week 1 clear then you aint trying for a week one clear.

I was responding to your post, you knew exactly who it included and are now just playing dumb

Fairness for all? Huh ? Let me change how content rolls out because of something somebody elses static is making them do. Yes, that is total fairness for all...

Why is the content shallow? Because it is, no other MMO out there has a more casual endgame then FFXIV, and was openly admitted by yoshi that its intended.

what's with this "speak for yourself" nonsense. You just said you arent a week one raider so none of this even applies to you right? Right? No, I am very ok with saying that nobody should have to cater to someone because of a choice they are making.. PERIOD

[Barraind]

God to have MMO's like EQ was again... A man can dream. VT easily one of my favorite raid zones.

I'd like to decorate my 14 house like my EQ houses are decorated.

[Lambdafish]

At this point there are only two people here against this change and I'm convinced they are trolls given the lack of constructive, well... Anything

[SDaemon]

The change won't occur because Square hasn't changed the formula in 6+ years, so the entire thread is pointless.

Wait what? I'm not really for or against SE delaying the release of Savage raids. I personally don't have a stake in the matter. However, simply because the situation has existed for the last 4 and a half years [not sure where you got 6+ from unless you're including Coils for some reason] doesn't mean SE won't ever change it or decide to change it if they get enough feedback to do so.

[SaberMaxwell]

Why respond as an "against this change" when it's almost entirely been met with vitriol? What this boils down to is "my gameplay experience is worth more then yours, so screw yours" on both sides.

The change won't occur because Square hasn't changed the formula in 6+ years, so the entire thread is pointless. But that's why you're not getting more "against" posters.

"Don't bother to request or suggest changes, it's been this way for 6+ years, just deal with it."