Can we please delay Savage?

[SinisterJoints]

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

I'm quite sure you can find stream of world first down contender if you wish so and you know what I'm pretty sure you can watch both and not miss anything thanks to replay. Will the same person be able to do both ? No, life is about choice, you're not twelves years old anymore. You can't expect a company to cater to every whim. Lets not make this already short competition even more shorter and bland, as I said people who can't concede and make sacrifice aren't ready to compete for a first wolrd down anyway.

Can't say it better than this.

[SaberMaxwell]

Thats what I said, two team dedicated to a same project, the fighter and the crafter working together to grasp the victory first.

With all due respect, your comment very much reads like "Team A rushes content, Team B makes gear then rushes content, and I like seeing how they compare."

FFXIV world first racers also don't tend to stream (although that's becoming more common as time goes by), and even when they do you're not exactly watching the crafting team on the sidelines get everything ready for them.

[Aurelius2625]

Jesus Christ, "You're not twelve years old". You're right, if we were twelve, we'd have the free time to binge at a moment's notice, but adult life that generates the money to pay a sub, requires "accommodation".

We are PAYING for a service. If we make a reasonable request that the devs can implement, and enough support is had for it, WHICH HAS BEEN THE CASE, then it's well within our rights to ask for such things. There is virtually no reason to deny this request. Release normal mode early by a week, that affects nothing. People can still hit the ground running on savage, should they wish, and it also allows people who want to do normal mode for the cutscenes to do so as well. They LITERALLY made the MSQ roulette unskippable so that people can enjoy the story for it, they clearly care that people watch the cutscenes and involve themselves with the story. This is the same kind of conservative ideal that, "just deal with it, I don't want YOU to have it, so you can't have it!"

It's tired, old, and archaic.

Nothing is wrong with releasing crafting lists early so people can prep for it. By releasing the crafting early and normal modes, all that want to do savage at release for week 1, can do so. Even those that don't care about crafted gear, which, by the way, people have to forfeit their time to craft for those people anyways, denying them any chance to participate if they wanted to...to craft when BY RELEASING THESE THINGS EARLY would avoid all of this.

I'm done. If you want to be stubborn, old, archaic, and making an argument that doesn't need to exist, then do so. People who argue against this are wrong. Full stop. No one is hurt by this, only helped.

"Just deal with it" IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. "Just accept it" IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. "It's always been this way" IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. It's outrageous, and any injustice or wrong that's ever been would still exist, if people "just accepted it".

Products and services improve when customers demand a better model and method of delivery of those goods. Stagnation IS NOT GOOD.

[SinisterJoints]

Jesus Christ, "You're not twelve years old". You're right, if we were twelve, we'd have the free time to binge at a moment's notice, but adult life that generates the money to pay a sub, requires "accommodation".
We are PAYING for a service. If we make a reasonable request that the devs can implement, and enough support is had for it, WHICH HAS BEEN THE CASE, then it's well within our rights to ask for such things. There is virtually no reason to deny this request. Release normal mode early by a week, that affects nothing. People can still hit the ground running on savage, should they wish, and it also allows people who want to do normal mode for the cutscenes to do so as well. They LITERALLY made the MSQ roulette unskippable so that people can enjoy the story for it, they clearly care that people watch the cutscenes and involve themselves with the story. This is the same kind of conservative ideal that, "just deal with it, I don't want YOU to have it, so you can't have it!"

It's tired, old, and archaic.

Nothing is wrong with releasing crafting lists early so people can prep for it. By releasing the crafting early and normal modes, all that want to do savage at release for week 1, can do so. Even those that don't care about crafted gear, which, by the way, people have to forfeit their time to craft for those people anyways, denying them any chance to participate if they wanted to...to craft when BY RELEASING THESE THINGS EARLY would avoid all of this.

I'm done. If you want to be stubborn, old, archaic, and making an argument that doesn't need to exist, then do so. People who argue against this are wrong. Full stop. No one is hurt by this, only helped.

"Just deal with it" IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. "Just accept it" IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. "It's always been this way" IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. It's outrageous, and any injustice or wrong that's ever been would still exist, if people "just accepted it".

Products and services improve when customers demand a better model and method of delivery of those goods. Stagnation IS NOT GOOD
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How is your opinion more weighted then others'? The same arguments can and will be made for both sides. The bottom line though is simple, you choose to do what you choose to do. I don't make you skip cutscenes, I don't make you rush content. You do. SO

why should it change when its something you are forcing yourself to do when you don't have too. This is why I take issue with it. There isn't a problem with the way the content is released. There IS a problem within your static though if they are making you do something you dont want too. Go be vocal to them about Why they take your choices away, let us know how it works out.

You can't sit and say "i wash my hand of this forum because they don't agree" and yet defend the people who are making you do all the things that have provoked you to ask for changes in the first place.

I dont blame you, or the game, nor ask you or the game to change things because of something I'm doing. Thus... we are here. Not something I can get behind

[Derio]

I agree, this would give crafters and gatherers plenty of time to do the content and also prevent toxicity from people rushing through the content. It doesnt have to be 2 weeks but 1 week should suffice.

[Sebazy]

How is your opinion more weighted then others'?

Well.... They actually participate in the content that this discussion is relative to for starters....

And don't give me the 'this is my alt' routine again. I don't buy it.

[Nariel]

With all due respect, your comment very much reads like "Team A rushes content, Team B makes gear then rushes content, and I like seeing how they compare."

FFXIV world first racers also don't tend to stream (although that's becoming more common as time goes by), and even when they do you're not exactly watching the crafting team on the sidelines get everything ready for them.

Your point being ?

I don't care about streaming but its seem quite obvious a team trying to be the first in the world to beat a content to don't show how they do it to their rivals because they are in a competition, you know what, one more argument about how streaming isn't an argument for delaying content : If you let for the world to see your strategies you clearly aren't serious about being first, so what is the point of doing this first week or later ?

"But I'm a paying customer I'm entitled to ask anything" No, you are not. You pay to acces the data of the game, wich they provide.

A static reaching for the world first don't need any delay, they organised themselves, they gathered anything that may be of use if not everything just in case, they stacked materia, foods, prepared teams and assigned crafters to support them. Its a competitive mindset and not the casual competitive one, if you think that a mere delay will give you a shot at it you clearly don't have a clue about the league you stepped in.

[SinisterJoints]

Well.... They actually participate in the content that this discussion is relative to for starters....

And don't give me the 'this is my alt' routine again. I don't buy it.

Guess what, You dont get to tell me when my opinion is valid or not. I don't need your approval or permission. You want all of my Character Names? Spoony Bard Midgar, Spoony' Bard Sargatan, Spoony' Bard Behemoth, Freya' Crescent Sargatan, Val Kandosii Sargatan, I play enough of this game and I don't need to prove a darn thing to you. Thats ok if you ain't buying, I'm not selling

[EaMett]

I don't care either way. With that said. I still, after 16 pages, don't understand why having the savage tier release a week later is an issue?

[Lambdafish]

How is your opinion more weighted then others'? The same arguments can and will be made for both sides. The bottom line though is simple, you choose to do what you choose to do. I don't make you skip cutscenes, I don't make you rush content. You do. SO

What do you actually lose from this change? What people stand to gain is far more than what people stand to lose. Content creators can tackle the patch and give their diverse audiences better content, crafters and gatherers have breathing room to prepare for raid without it interferring with the world first race. Raiders participating in the world first race actually get to enjoy normal mode and use it to speculate and strategize savage.

Bear in mind that what is being asked for is not even as harsh as what we saw in edensgate, deltascape and gordias (yes, this isn't a new concept).

So I ask you, what do you lose from this change? Sounds to me that for someone who hates people rushing content, you sure want to rush right into savage once you are done with normal mode right away. Why don't you participate in all the other content provided?