Can we please delay Savage?

[SinisterJoints]

You're sitting here screeching away, spewing vitriol and poison over a choice that you've never once nor likely will ever take.

The answers to your first question have been stated clearly, concisely and repeatedly but you ignore them every time because you are so utterly caught up in defending a 'choice' that you have no stock in that you're missing the fact that a very significant chunk of the people that grab this choice with both hands would actually rather not have to.

I may not be a hardcore prog raider myself anymore, but I'm still in an FC filled with them, and I don't see them kicking off and complaining about the staggered content releases we see after each expansion. The raid being delayed for a day or a week makes no difference in the grand scheme of things. But being able to actually kick back and enjoy the story in this game would.

I dont see them in here screaming about it not being delayed either. You can turn my words into whatever poison you want. Facts are Facts. I don't have to be a hardcore raid progger to use logic. Removing something takes away, it really is that simple. Leaving it as it is, leaves it all open for everyone to choose.

Why this dilusion that you cant enjoy something that's literally there for you to enjoy? Self infliction

So, go ahead, kick back and enjoy the story. That's what its there for

Oh and before you embarrass yourself by assuming I don't raid, I do at my leisure without feeling rushed, or slighted in anyway. Thank you SE for the plethora of content that I can enjoy at my leisure without some ill conceived notion that I cant enjoy it because my static demands I skip cutscenes LOL

[Sebazy]

I dont see them in here screaming about it not being delayed either.

Because if you knew anything about this game's high end raid scene, you'd know that very few of them post here because of the numerous bans on these forums over theory crafting and number crunching in the past.

You can dress it up with all the toxicity you want, it doesn't change the fact that a simple delay of 1 day would solve this problem. But then that wouldn't give you your dopamine fix from threads like these would it now.

Oh and before you embarrass yourself by assuming I don't raid, I do at my leisure without feeling rushed, or slighted in anyway. Thank you SE for the plethora of content that I can enjoy at my leisure without some ill conceived notion that I cant enjoy it because my static demands I skip cutscenes LOL

I'd say your understanding of progression raiding is up there with your knowledge of workplace holiday arrangements. Very very narrow.

[SinisterJoints]

Because if you knew anything about this game's high end raid scene, you'd know that very few of them post here because of the numerous bans on these forums over theory crafting and number crunching in the past.

You can dress it up with all the toxicity you want, it doesn't change the fact that a simple delay of 1 day would solve this problem. But then that wouldn't give you your dopamine fix from threads like these would it now.

what problem?? There is a problem? What toxicity? The stuff you are spewing? LOL at the last phrase, cute.

Four pages later, and I notice my question still hasn't been answered. The opposition to this continually asks why we would want to delay Savage for a week. This has been explained in intricate detail by several here.

I asked four pages ago why the opposing side is so against the delay, and what of value would be lost to them if this delay was put in place. I am still hearing crickets on this. The question was conveniently ignored in favor of trying to counter any point the pro-delay side brought up for why they want it implemented instead of answering this question.

The only reason I've been able to glean from their side is they 'want it now.' Yet...we wait six months I believe between Eden raid cycles? Six months and you can't wait a single week more? Give me a break.

How is it a want it now? It's a freedom to choose, that's what I want. If you delay it a week, I can't possibly choose to do it then can I? How is that hard to understand? You expect me to bleed your reasoning but neglect to even logically look at it from another's perspective.

I asked four pages ago why the opposing side is so against the delay, and what of value would be lost to them if this delay was put in place. I am still hearing crickets on this. The question was conveniently ignored in favor of trying to counter any point the pro-delay side brought up for why they want it implemented instead of answering this question.

It shouldn't have to be delayed because of a personal choice of others, to either skip cutscenes, or rush to endgame. That is a personal choice on you

[Zabuza]

How is it a want it now? It's a freedom to choose, that's what I want. If you delay it a week, I can't possibly choose to do it then can I? How is that hard to understand? You expect me to bleed your reasoning but neglect to even logically look at it from another's perspective.

It shouldn't have to be delayed because of a personal choice of others, to either skip cutscenes, or rush to endgame. That is a personal choice on you

I'm trying to understand your perspective, as at least this is some kind of actual answer. In truth, I am finding it difficult, though, since devs implement a two week delay already on expansion launches. Do you feel that is also robbing you of your choice? I mean, even without Eden Savage being there the week of patch drop, you'd still have plenty of choices and things to do would you not? MSQ, Ruby Weapon, Eden Normal, etc...Surely enough choices to occupy you for a week? So you feel by delaying this for a week we're somehow robbing you of freedom? Interesting.

[SinisterJoints]

I'm trying to understand your perspective, as at least this is some kind of actual answer. In truth, I am finding it difficult, though, since devs implement a two week delay already on expansion launches. Do you feel that is also robbing you of your choice? I mean, even without Eden Savage being there the week of patch drop, you'd still have plenty of choices and things to do would you not? MSQ, Ruby Weapon, Eden Normal, etc...Surely enough choices to occupy you for a week? So you feel by delaying this for a week we're somehow robbing you of freedom? Interesting.

Ive said it like a million times. It just kept getting ignored over and over along with condescending lines from Hyo. It's not about what I want, its about the freedom to choose.

Why cant you enjoy it if it IS released? You feel rushed? This is my point, its ok for you to be up in arms for what you want but opposition is not allowed? That is how it's being presented.


and to answer your question, it doesnt matter how the content is released. Someone will come in here and be vocal about the reason they dont like it every, single, time. I just don't personally agree with changing something because of some innate guilty feeling or feeling of being rushed when its something you are choosing to endure.

should they choose,

Gonna highlight a key phrase that makes this entire thread pointless. Your Character, Your Choice. Plain and simple. SE didnt make your static schedule, SE didnt make you join a static, SE didnt make you do the raids first, nor should SE cater to YOUR schedule. You dont want to race in the first week, then dont! it REALLY IS that simple.

Why not delay it a month?

Or you can just commit to doing it day 1 if its something you want to do day 1.

If you want to compete for world first clearing, then you make the choice to do that. Waking up early to make sure you get your gear and consumables crafted, or paying for those, is part of it. If you want to do it casually, then do it casually.

Exactly this, You can choose to NOT do the stuff in week 1. However, we cannot choose TO do it if its delayed a week. Forcing us to wait because you cant make a choice is not a valid solution.





Literally my first post. Nothing toxic about it

[ForteNightshade]

Gonna highlight a key phrase that makes this entire thread pointless. Your Character, Your Choice. Plain and simple. SE didnt make your static schedule, SE didnt make you join a static, SE didnt make you do the raids first, nor should SE cater to YOUR schedule. You dont want to race in the first week, then dont! it REALLY IS that simple.

Nice cherry picking. Now allow me to quote the actual context of that post you conveniently left out.

How does that make sense? If Savage were released a week later, people would have time to do the story should they choose, craft and essentially get preparation done without having to rush everything. Those "first wave problems," as you put it, only exist because the second and third Savage tiers come out alongside Normal mode. They don't with the first tier, which is why many raiders have been requesting this delay.

This clearly referred to raiders who both want to watch the story and raid week one. Presently, we do not have that choose as we either have to skip story to prioritize Savage or lose a day. Lambdafish also brought up a good point. I don't have a choice to skip Normal mode entirely. I have to go through it to unlock Savage. So even using your nonsensical "logic". It's still wrong.

That all being said, an easy compromise—if we actually needed one—would be to unshackle Savage and Normal mode. Just put a NPC with a warning prompt that tells players they are unlocking Savage and may not understand the full context. Bam. Now Normal mode and its story don't interfere with Savage. Nevertheless, I still think a small delay would be a better alternative but the aforementioned is still an option.

Ultimately, you only care about your preference and how this effects you though. The irony is you've contradicted yourself since if you only aim to do content leisurely, delaying Savage a day, two days or a week wouldn't impact you in the slightest. In other words, you're screeching into the abyss just to be heard.

[SinisterJoints]

Nice cherry picking. Now allow me to quote the actual context of that post you conveniently left out.



This clearly referred to raiders who both want to watch the story and raid week one. Presently, we do not have that choose as we either have to skip story to prioritize Savage or lose a day. Lambdafish also brought up a good point. I don't have a choice to skip Normal mode entirely. I have to go through it to unlock Savage. So even using your nonsensical "logic". It's still wrong.

That all being said, an easy compromise—if we actually needed one—would be to unshackle Savage and Normal mode. Just put a NPC with a warning prompt that tells players they are unlocking Savage and may not understand the full context. Bam. Now Normal mode and its story don't interfere with Savage. Nevertheless, I still think a small delay would be a better alternative but the aforementioned is still an option.

Ultimately, you only care about your preference and how this effects you though. The irony is you've contradicted yourself since if you only aim to do content leisurely, delaying Savage a day, two days or a week wouldn't impact you in the slightest. In other words, you're screeching into the abyss just to be heard.

Cherry picking out of context? It very much is in context. Clearly.

Side note, Id support the unlocks being seperate to negate this whole "I have to skip NM cutscenes cause reasons" dilemma

[Sebazy]

what problem?? There is a problem? What toxicity? The stuff you are spewing? LOL at the last phrase, cute.

Are you really oblivious to the manner in which you spoke to Hyo? Do you not realise that every post you've made in this thread is the same aggressive screeching of choice this and and whawha that? If you talk down to me, I'm absolutely going to return in kind. Try being civil for once in your life and maybe things will work out better for you.

How is it a want it now? It's a freedom to choose

And I'd love to blast my Triumph over the local moorland roads at silly speeds, but I appreciate that it's best I don't have that choice. Sometimes we just need to be saved from ourselves.

I can't possibly choose to do it then can I?

And yet even with the choice there. You've never yet taken it.

[SinisterJoints]

Are you really oblivious to the manner in which you spoke to Hyo? Do you not realise that every post you've made in this thread is the same aggressive screeching of choice this and and whawha that? If you talk down to me, I'm absolutely going to return in kind. Try being civil for once in your life and maybe things will work out better for you.



And I'd love to blast my Triumph over the local moorland roads at silly speeds, but I appreciate that it's best I don't have that choice. Sometimes we just need to be saved from ourselves.



And yet even with the choice there. You've never yet taken it.

So basically "I want the choice to do it week one but I'm actually not going to do it until it's dead content"?

Glad we established that.

Ive never taken what? Oh you think this is my main character. There we go embarassing ourselves again. SMH, quit assuming

[Lambdafish]

It shouldn't have to be delayed because of a personal choice of others, to either skip cutscenes, or rush to endgame. That is a personal choice on you

The world first race is a legitimate community-run activity that the devs support. Yoshi P gives shout-outs and congratulations to winning teams.

Even if NM releases on the tuesday and savage releases on the thursday, thats enough time to do NM.

Personally, I support this change because the rush to savage means I don't get to see reactions from content creators I like because they are "forced" to skip the content in favour of the world first race.

Try seeing NM as a gate blocking people from doing savage. When savage is the thing you want to do immediately, you lose out on enjoying NM for its own sake.