Can we please delay Savage?

[SinisterJoints]

I'm not sure where people are getting the "but muh first week clear!" thing from, honestly. Even if it were delayed by a week it would still be a week one clear because it literally wasn't available until then. I have no horse in this race since I don't really do Savage while its relevant but I still think its silly to say that a delay of a week or so would affect one's clear rate or pacing. Savage raiders are gonna raid whenever they get the chance, whether it's day one of a new patch or week 2 after most have gone through normal mode.

But why??

Why delay it a week? Give me one reason that doesn't revolve around personal preference. Nobody can, only "I feel rushed" "I cant get vacation" "I work" etc etc. It's absolutely hilarious that nobody will admit past their own preference.

I don't want it delayed because it takes a choice away from me and many others. It does not matter if you want it or not, that is a FACT. If you delay savage you take away from other peoples choice TO DO IT.

It doesn't matter that the new week 1 is still week 1. You are still taking a choice from me. (and anyone else)

Where as the way it is now, everyone is free to choose.(and if you say you dont have a choice, it is literally on you, not me, not SE or anyone else...YOU) If you aren't free to choose when the patch hits, then that is on you is it not? It's not about anything other than that.


This is as cut and dry as it gets

The highlight parts are where you said it; literally in the very same paragraph.

Your entire argument hinges on you not wanting the delay because you don't care if it bothers anyone else. Your preference is to have Savage immediately. Mine, and several others judging by the response to this thread, is to have Savage delayed. Cool. We both have differing opinions. Now why does your opinion trump anyone else's? If you "don't care" about anyone's position but your own, why should they care about yours?

In layman's terms: we have a simple disagreement. But only you are demanding your argument is correct because you made it.

Read Above, im not demanding that my argument is correct. it IS correct. Right now is the most fair so that EVERYONE is free to choose WHAT THEY WANT. Anything short of how it is now, takes a choice away.

[Enla]

Read Above, im not demanding that my argument is correct. it IS correct. Right now is the most fair so that EVERYONE is free to choose WHAT THEY WANT. Anything short of how it is now, takes a choice away.

Technically delaying it a week provides more choice as it gives players more notice to call out of work. FF14 isn't always the best when it comes to giving timely confirmation on the dates for patch releases, and in some cases it cuts very close to the cut off time most employers are comfortable with their employees asking for vacation time. Giving people an extra week goes a long way to securing the time off they might need if their statics decide to make the attempt when Savage or Ultimate drop. Thus allowing more people to CHOOSE as you keep on emphasizing is the biggest issue at play. Likewise as Vahlnir stated it's not like it matters because if it was delayed a week it's not as if you could have gone in earlier to begin with so no choice is being robbed of you in that regard.

[Sebazy]

But why??

You're sitting here screeching away, spewing vitriol and poison over a choice that you've never once nor likely will ever take.

The answers to your first question have been stated clearly, concisely and repeatedly but you ignore them every time because you are so utterly caught up in defending a 'choice' that you have no stock in that you're missing the fact that a very significant chunk of the people that grab this choice with both hands would actually rather not have to.

I may not be a hardcore prog raider myself anymore, but I'm still in an FC filled with them, and I don't see them kicking off and complaining about the staggered content releases we see after each expansion. The raid being delayed for a day or a week makes no difference in the grand scheme of things. But being able to actually kick back and enjoy the story in this game would.

[SinisterJoints]

You're sitting here screeching away, spewing vitriol and poison over a choice that you've never once nor likely will ever take.

The answers to your first question have been stated clearly, concisely and repeatedly but you ignore them every time because you are so utterly caught up in defending a 'choice' that you have no stock in that you're missing the fact that a very significant chunk of the people that grab this choice with both hands would actually rather not have to.

I may not be a hardcore prog raider myself anymore, but I'm still in an FC filled with them, and I don't see them kicking off and complaining about the staggered content releases we see after each expansion. The raid being delayed for a day or a week makes no difference in the grand scheme of things. But being able to actually kick back and enjoy the story in this game would.

I dont see them in here screaming about it not being delayed either. You can turn my words into whatever poison you want. Facts are Facts. I don't have to be a hardcore raid progger to use logic. Removing something takes away, it really is that simple. Leaving it as it is, leaves it all open for everyone to choose.

Why this dilusion that you cant enjoy something that's literally there for you to enjoy? Self infliction

So, go ahead, kick back and enjoy the story. That's what its there for

Oh and before you embarrass yourself by assuming I don't raid, I do at my leisure without feeling rushed, or slighted in anyway. Thank you SE for the plethora of content that I can enjoy at my leisure without some ill conceived notion that I cant enjoy it because my static demands I skip cutscenes LOL

[Sebazy]

I dont see them in here screaming about it not being delayed either.

Because if you knew anything about this game's high end raid scene, you'd know that very few of them post here because of the numerous bans on these forums over theory crafting and number crunching in the past.

You can dress it up with all the toxicity you want, it doesn't change the fact that a simple delay of 1 day would solve this problem. But then that wouldn't give you your dopamine fix from threads like these would it now.

Oh and before you embarrass yourself by assuming I don't raid, I do at my leisure without feeling rushed, or slighted in anyway. Thank you SE for the plethora of content that I can enjoy at my leisure without some ill conceived notion that I cant enjoy it because my static demands I skip cutscenes LOL

I'd say your understanding of progression raiding is up there with your knowledge of workplace holiday arrangements. Very very narrow.

[SinisterJoints]

Because if you knew anything about this game's high end raid scene, you'd know that very few of them post here because of the numerous bans on these forums over theory crafting and number crunching in the past.

You can dress it up with all the toxicity you want, it doesn't change the fact that a simple delay of 1 day would solve this problem. But then that wouldn't give you your dopamine fix from threads like these would it now.

what problem?? There is a problem? What toxicity? The stuff you are spewing? LOL at the last phrase, cute.

Four pages later, and I notice my question still hasn't been answered. The opposition to this continually asks why we would want to delay Savage for a week. This has been explained in intricate detail by several here.

I asked four pages ago why the opposing side is so against the delay, and what of value would be lost to them if this delay was put in place. I am still hearing crickets on this. The question was conveniently ignored in favor of trying to counter any point the pro-delay side brought up for why they want it implemented instead of answering this question.

The only reason I've been able to glean from their side is they 'want it now.' Yet...we wait six months I believe between Eden raid cycles? Six months and you can't wait a single week more? Give me a break.

How is it a want it now? It's a freedom to choose, that's what I want. If you delay it a week, I can't possibly choose to do it then can I? How is that hard to understand? You expect me to bleed your reasoning but neglect to even logically look at it from another's perspective.

I asked four pages ago why the opposing side is so against the delay, and what of value would be lost to them if this delay was put in place. I am still hearing crickets on this. The question was conveniently ignored in favor of trying to counter any point the pro-delay side brought up for why they want it implemented instead of answering this question.

It shouldn't have to be delayed because of a personal choice of others, to either skip cutscenes, or rush to endgame. That is a personal choice on you

[Zabuza]

How is it a want it now? It's a freedom to choose, that's what I want. If you delay it a week, I can't possibly choose to do it then can I? How is that hard to understand? You expect me to bleed your reasoning but neglect to even logically look at it from another's perspective.

It shouldn't have to be delayed because of a personal choice of others, to either skip cutscenes, or rush to endgame. That is a personal choice on you

I'm trying to understand your perspective, as at least this is some kind of actual answer. In truth, I am finding it difficult, though, since devs implement a two week delay already on expansion launches. Do you feel that is also robbing you of your choice? I mean, even without Eden Savage being there the week of patch drop, you'd still have plenty of choices and things to do would you not? MSQ, Ruby Weapon, Eden Normal, etc...Surely enough choices to occupy you for a week? So you feel by delaying this for a week we're somehow robbing you of freedom? Interesting.

[SinisterJoints]

I'm trying to understand your perspective, as at least this is some kind of actual answer. In truth, I am finding it difficult, though, since devs implement a two week delay already on expansion launches. Do you feel that is also robbing you of your choice? I mean, even without Eden Savage being there the week of patch drop, you'd still have plenty of choices and things to do would you not? MSQ, Ruby Weapon, Eden Normal, etc...Surely enough choices to occupy you for a week? So you feel by delaying this for a week we're somehow robbing you of freedom? Interesting.

Ive said it like a million times. It just kept getting ignored over and over along with condescending lines from Hyo. It's not about what I want, its about the freedom to choose.

Why cant you enjoy it if it IS released? You feel rushed? This is my point, its ok for you to be up in arms for what you want but opposition is not allowed? That is how it's being presented.


and to answer your question, it doesnt matter how the content is released. Someone will come in here and be vocal about the reason they dont like it every, single, time. I just don't personally agree with changing something because of some innate guilty feeling or feeling of being rushed when its something you are choosing to endure.

should they choose,

Gonna highlight a key phrase that makes this entire thread pointless. Your Character, Your Choice. Plain and simple. SE didnt make your static schedule, SE didnt make you join a static, SE didnt make you do the raids first, nor should SE cater to YOUR schedule. You dont want to race in the first week, then dont! it REALLY IS that simple.

Why not delay it a month?

Or you can just commit to doing it day 1 if its something you want to do day 1.

If you want to compete for world first clearing, then you make the choice to do that. Waking up early to make sure you get your gear and consumables crafted, or paying for those, is part of it. If you want to do it casually, then do it casually.

Exactly this, You can choose to NOT do the stuff in week 1. However, we cannot choose TO do it if its delayed a week. Forcing us to wait because you cant make a choice is not a valid solution.





Literally my first post. Nothing toxic about it

[Sebazy]

what problem?? There is a problem? What toxicity? The stuff you are spewing? LOL at the last phrase, cute.

Are you really oblivious to the manner in which you spoke to Hyo? Do you not realise that every post you've made in this thread is the same aggressive screeching of choice this and and whawha that? If you talk down to me, I'm absolutely going to return in kind. Try being civil for once in your life and maybe things will work out better for you.

How is it a want it now? It's a freedom to choose

And I'd love to blast my Triumph over the local moorland roads at silly speeds, but I appreciate that it's best I don't have that choice. Sometimes we just need to be saved from ourselves.

I can't possibly choose to do it then can I?

And yet even with the choice there. You've never yet taken it.

[SinisterJoints]

Are you really oblivious to the manner in which you spoke to Hyo? Do you not realise that every post you've made in this thread is the same aggressive screeching of choice this and and whawha that? If you talk down to me, I'm absolutely going to return in kind. Try being civil for once in your life and maybe things will work out better for you.



And I'd love to blast my Triumph over the local moorland roads at silly speeds, but I appreciate that it's best I don't have that choice. Sometimes we just need to be saved from ourselves.



And yet even with the choice there. You've never yet taken it.

So basically "I want the choice to do it week one but I'm actually not going to do it until it's dead content"?

Glad we established that.

Ive never taken what? Oh you think this is my main character. There we go embarassing ourselves again. SMH, quit assuming