Prepulling mobs as healer

[SamRF]

the saddest thing about this whole post is that its up to 110 replies (at the time of this post). In most other MMOs this is simply a no-no and the healer (or whoever pulls besides the tank) would be considered an asshole. the post would be flamed and the person posting it would be called all sorts of names until the post is locked by moderators.

but here for whatever reason there is an actual debate about it, with people ACTUALLY agreeing with the original poster.

rethink your point of view ... because you're wrong.

Yet you're adding another blank reply on top of the 110 without presenting any meaningful arguments whatsoever.

[ForteNightshade]

the saddest thing about this whole post is that its up to 110 replies (at the time of this post). In most other MMOs this is simply a no-no and the healer (or whoever pulls besides the tank) would be considered an asshole. the post would be flamed and the person posting it would be called all sorts of names until the post is locked by moderators.

but here for whatever reason there is an actual debate about it, with people ACTUALLY agreeing with the original poster.

rethink your point of view ... because you're wrong.

This occurs because trash mobs are so pitifully weak someone besides the tank can easily live pulling more mobs. And in the case of a healer, can tank them just fine themselves. Like I said earlier, you could be 100 ilvls below the recommended and a small pack would still barely even dent a tank.

Not saying I necessarily agree with the OP's approach but this is why some DPS and healers pull.

[SamRF]

This occurs because trash mobs are so pitifully weak someone besides the tank can easily live pulling more mobs. And in the case of a healer, can tank them just fine themselves. Like I said earlier, you could be 100 ilvls below the recommended and a small pack would still barely even dent a tank.

Not saying I necessarily agree with the OP's approach but this is why some DPS and healers pull.

Maybe this is the biggest problem. I wouldn't have made this thread if those absurdly low damage dungeons didn't exist in first place. Imo they should for sure adjust the syncs or increase the damage for some of the older content to make them worthy of being played in a party. Right now some dungeons can easily be done without a tank, or even without healer (at least for 90% of the dungeon).

[Vulcann]

Yet you're adding another blank reply on top of the 110 without presenting any meaningful arguments whatsoever.

because there is no argument to be made

you do this if you are not a tank you are wrong ... simple as that.

[Kenky]

If you're pulling as a healer, you are indeed being a prick to your team. (If intentionally, at least. There are accidental pulls from bad positioning)

It's the tanks job to grab the enemies and keep them on him / her. If they aren't comfortable with big pulls (for whatever reason) then they shouldn't be forced to pull more than they are comfortable with. That only causes issues that people will certainly make vocal. But on the other side of the proverbial coin, a tank should never pull more than the healer can deal with, as a stressed out healer is a very dangerous thing to deal with. You can't "solo" a dungeon. You need to work together and pissing each other off is not going to make it go any faster.

This can all be avoided by simply asking at the start of ANY Dungeon, how comfortable the tank / healer is with big or small pulls. Or rather, if they're willing to give it a shot. Be considerate. It's another person on the other side of the screen, not an AI. Treat them how you wish to be treated.

If you are bored playing a healer, don't take it out on your team. It's not their fault you aren't as engaged as you may like.

[EpicOverlord85]

Do not pull as a healer or DPS. If you want to pull play as a Tank.

I’d also like to add that I generally have a rule when I’m tanking; if someone in the party keeps purposely pulling enemies I let them tank them.

[ElHeggunte]

When you could just press an AOE move once and pop a cooldown if needed. Very difficult gameplay.

It's the principle. If they want to elect themselves to do the tank's job, they can do it all the way. No halfassing. If they want to run ahead and pull mobs like a tank, they can handle them like a tank. Don't start it if you aren't going to follow through.

[ForteNightshade]

It's the principle. If they want to elect themselves to do the tank's job, they can do it all the way. No halfassing. If they want to run ahead and pull mobs like a tank, they can handle them like a tank. Don't start it if you aren't going to follow through.

And with how much of a joke both aggro and trash mob damage has now become. It's a silly principle. You effectively make the run take longer and potentially cause more issues than had you simply taken the mobs yourself and asked them to not pull again. If they continue to do so, kicking said person is a far better solution.

Say I'm your healer and the Monk pulls for you, prompting you to ignore those mobs. The Black Mage has already begun AoEing and now also has aggro. I now have to heal three people, possibly letting one or all of you die. The end result is me getting annoyed with you not the Monk because you caused me far more problems than they did. Conversely, if you asked them not to do it and put up a vote kick when they did again. I'd likely accept it.

Put another way, I'll use the same argument people have in this thread. Don't make things difficult for the team because you're more concerned about a silly principle.

[Penthea]

And with how much of a joke both aggro and trash mob damage has now become. It's a silly principle.

I don't think so considering how tank anxiety is very common. With a pug you can't really say for sure if someone is a very experienced or confident tank, even if they're playing as best as anyone possibly could on a single pack.

Not even checking gear is a sure way to see if someone is experienced or not. I remember a time when my buddies and I ended up with a pug tank who had the absolute best gear you could possibly get in the tier and most of it was from savage, but their tanking...was okay at best. This was surprising considering their gear. Afterwards one of my buddies looked them up in fflogs and it turned out they only had logs as a caster and ranged phys dps.

And no, no one gave them hassle or said anything. We just did the dungeon at the pace the tank pulled. They weren't a bad tank by any means, but they didn't have the skill you would expect from someone with that gear. We felt the logs adequately explained the situation.

[ReviaInfantry]

I do not prefer to one mob pull. But if tanks do that, I'll just sigh and moved on.

If DPS pre-pull, and tank has the heart to save him, all is well. But if party wiped, the spilled blood will attract the gaze of the Blood Kupo Nutsy. Further repeating the same action will make said DPS bleed lying down, while I keep nourished the tank for the Blood lily.

Shall the dps miraculously sass me for it, I shall ceased holy for the sparkly throne and mogdance towards that fool every time tank doesn't need heal.