Prepulling mobs as healer

[ElHeggunte]

When you could just press an AOE move once and pop a cooldown if needed. Very difficult gameplay.

It's the principle. If they want to elect themselves to do the tank's job, they can do it all the way. No halfassing. If they want to run ahead and pull mobs like a tank, they can handle them like a tank. Don't start it if you aren't going to follow through.

[ForteNightshade]

It's the principle. If they want to elect themselves to do the tank's job, they can do it all the way. No halfassing. If they want to run ahead and pull mobs like a tank, they can handle them like a tank. Don't start it if you aren't going to follow through.

And with how much of a joke both aggro and trash mob damage has now become. It's a silly principle. You effectively make the run take longer and potentially cause more issues than had you simply taken the mobs yourself and asked them to not pull again. If they continue to do so, kicking said person is a far better solution.

Say I'm your healer and the Monk pulls for you, prompting you to ignore those mobs. The Black Mage has already begun AoEing and now also has aggro. I now have to heal three people, possibly letting one or all of you die. The end result is me getting annoyed with you not the Monk because you caused me far more problems than they did. Conversely, if you asked them not to do it and put up a vote kick when they did again. I'd likely accept it.

Put another way, I'll use the same argument people have in this thread. Don't make things difficult for the team because you're more concerned about a silly principle.

[Penthea]

And with how much of a joke both aggro and trash mob damage has now become. It's a silly principle.

I don't think so considering how tank anxiety is very common. With a pug you can't really say for sure if someone is a very experienced or confident tank, even if they're playing as best as anyone possibly could on a single pack.

Not even checking gear is a sure way to see if someone is experienced or not. I remember a time when my buddies and I ended up with a pug tank who had the absolute best gear you could possibly get in the tier and most of it was from savage, but their tanking...was okay at best. This was surprising considering their gear. Afterwards one of my buddies looked them up in fflogs and it turned out they only had logs as a caster and ranged phys dps.

And no, no one gave them hassle or said anything. We just did the dungeon at the pace the tank pulled. They weren't a bad tank by any means, but they didn't have the skill you would expect from someone with that gear. We felt the logs adequately explained the situation.

[ForteNightshade]

I don't think so considering how tank anxiety is very common. With a pug you can't really say for sure if someone is a very experienced or confident tank, even if they're playing as best as anyone possibly could on a single pack.

Not even checking gear is a sure way to see if someone is experienced or not. I remember a time when my buddies and I ended up with a pug tank who had the absolute best gear you could possibly get in the tier and most of it was from savage, but their tanking...was okay at best. This was surprising considering their gear. Afterwards one of my buddies looked them up in fflogs and it turned out they only had logs as a caster and ranged phys dps.

And no, no one gave them hassle or said anything. We just did the dungeon at the pace the tank pulled. They weren't a bad tank by any means, but they didn't have the skill you would expect from someone with that gear. We felt the logs adequately explained the situation.

You don't need to be a very experienced tank to take aggro. It's literally spamming the same aoe you already should be. If they die as a result of those extra mobs, that's on the DPS pulling more, especially if they already asked someone not to pull for them. Even if they didn't out of nerves, I'd likely tell the DPS to not pull for them myself.

My response was more referring to players who deliberately let someone die because of the aforementioned principle nonsense. It creates far more of a hassle than simply picking up the mobs and either asking the person to not pull ahead of them or kicking them if they continue to do so.

[SamRF]

I don't think so considering how tank anxiety is very common. With a pug you can't really say for sure if someone is a very experienced or confident tank, even if they're playing as best as anyone possibly could on a single pack.

So I recently started leveling gunbreaker which starts on lvl 60, and I think what I did as prep before jumping into first dungeon is a good example of why and how my principles and mentality differs, and why I don't seem to understand your and other's position.

What I did was I practiced both my single target and aoe rotation on open world mobs and dummies until I was comfortable with them, out of respect for DF group. I'm not willing to slow down the whole group just for "learning" the job, because that seems selfish to me.

When I take a break from the game and come back or play a job I haven't played in a while, I always practice solo to get back used to given job so I can perform well enough before I jump into DF.

[Elladie]

So I recently started leveling gunbreaker which starts on lvl 60, and I think what I did as prep before jumping into first dungeon is a good example of why and how my principles and mentality differs, and why I don't seem to understand your and other's position.

What I did was I practiced both my single target and aoe rotation on open world mobs and dummies until I was comfortable with them, out of respect for DF group. I'm not willing to slow down the whole group just for "learning" the job, because that seems selfish to me.

When I take a break from the game and come back or play a job I haven't played in a while, I always practice solo to get back used to given job so I can perform well enough before I jump into DF.

Practising your rotation on dummies is one thing. Going into a dungeon is very much another. Perhaps you know the dungeon well, but there are still three variables you can't plan for - the other three people in your PUG. if one of them is going to make things difficult (as you clearly like to do) that creates stress and unpleasantness and confrontation. You may thrive on that. Lots of people don't. Hence my earlier comment about no longer using DF. I don't use it ENTIRELY because of people like you. I run with my Trusts who are all lovely or with my friends (also lovely)

[SamRF]

Practising your rotation on dummies is one thing. Going into a dungeon is very much another. Perhaps you know the dungeon well, but there are still three variables you can't plan for - the other three people in your PUG. if one of them is going to make things difficult (as you clearly like to do) that creates stress and unpleasantness and confrontation. You may thrive on that. Lots of people don't. Hence my earlier comment about no longer using DF. I don't use it ENTIRELY because of people like you. I run with my Trusts who are all lovely or with my friends (also lovely)

I don't think difficulty really increases in the situation I'm talking about in my original post (there's no wipe risk). nothing has to change rotation wise. You don't even have to use defense cooldowns because damage is so neglible. I see what you mean with it being seen as a confrontation that would create stress, the whole point of my post was then to indicate that there's no reason to see it as such in a situation where both tank and healer is redundant. Perhaps it's been a while since you've played an instance like lower ilvl lvl 50/60/70 dungeon at sync so it might be hard to imagine.

I've already admitted to being at fault for not abiding by the community's standards and I will be playing less healer as a result of that (which is totally fine). Alternatively I'll go into dungeons full prepared to get kicked, or I'll just hold back and try to enjoy the art and music when spamming that 1 dps button, if it's a pretty dungeon.

[Penthea]

So I recently started leveling gunbreaker which starts on lvl 60, and I think what I did as prep before jumping into first dungeon is a good example of why and how my principles and mentality differs, and why I don't seem to understand your and other's position.

What I did was I practiced both my single target and aoe rotation on open world mobs and dummies until I was comfortable with them, out of respect for DF group. I'm not willing to slow down the whole group just for "learning" the job, because that seems selfish to me.

When I take a break from the game and come back or play a job I haven't played in a while, I always practice solo to get back used to given job so I can perform well enough before I jump into DF.

The difference is I understand your opinion. Your problem is not managing your expectations for the content you're in. Pugging is lottery and most pug content is aimed at casual players who don't do as much homework as some people. I made a long post about this many pages back but it was pretty long so I guess you ignored it. Or you are just completely unwilling to see that not every player is like you, not every player wants to be like you, and some players are simply unable to be like you.

You seem to have a single player mentality in a mmo. Do your roulettes with people you know if you are so incapable of having any ounce of empathy for someone whose situation or opinion even vaguely differs to yours.

[SamRF]

The difference is I understand your opinion. Your problem is not managing your expectations for the content you're in. Pugging is lottery and most pug content is aimed at casual players who don't do as much homework as some people. I made a long post about this many pages back but it was pretty long so I guess you ignored it. Or you are just completely unwilling to see that not every player is like you, not every player wants to be like you, and some players are simply unable to be like you.

You seem to have a single player mentality in a mmo. Do your roulettes with people you know if you are so incapable of having any ounce of empathy for someone whose situation or opinion even vaguely differs to yours.

I didn't mean that post as a counterargument, was just letting you know where I'm coming from. I've already concluded to be at fault with my expectations.