Prepulling mobs as healer

[Seraphor]

Speaking strictly as someone who plays both roles, if the healer gets ahead of me - I fucked up in some capacity. This goes vice versa for the person I'm healing, so it doesn't much bother me.

You're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Having rushed through trash the past, if you only do one AoE before sprinting ahead, 9 times out of 10 a DPS will single target someone and take aggro off you.
So you either stop for an entire GCD to do 2 AoEs, or you have to stop to pick up aggro again.
This causes your party to run ahead of you...

[Keddera_StormMoon]

I have NEVER pre-pulled as a healer and never will.

I let the tank set the pace as I'm not presumptuous enough to assume that my time is any more important than the player next to me.

Pull big or pull small, I got your back either way.

[Corfish]

I run dungeons as all three roles. The fact of the matter is if you want to control the flow of the dungeon, you should've queued as a tank. Neither the DPS or the healer get to determine how big the pulls are. Put on your big boy/girl pants and queue as a tank if you want to be 100% sure you get wall to wall pulls.

[Sophie_Lo]

Literally nearly every response here, times infinity. You are not the tank; you don't know their mindset, their level of tanking experience, or their comfort zone in being a tank. You are a HEALER. Pre-pulling those mobs as a healer (despite any and all good intentions) is only going to net you the ire of not only the tank, but two DPS's, as well, 99% of the time you engage in this action.

This is a rock solid and unarguable fact.

[Vulcann]

the saddest thing about this whole post is that its up to 110 replies (at the time of this post). In most other MMOs this is simply a no-no and the healer (or whoever pulls besides the tank) would be considered an asshole. the post would be flamed and the person posting it would be called all sorts of names until the post is locked by moderators.

but here for whatever reason there is an actual debate about it, with people ACTUALLY agreeing with the original poster.

rethink your point of view ... because you're wrong.

[SamRF]

the saddest thing about this whole post is that its up to 110 replies (at the time of this post). In most other MMOs this is simply a no-no and the healer (or whoever pulls besides the tank) would be considered an asshole. the post would be flamed and the person posting it would be called all sorts of names until the post is locked by moderators.

but here for whatever reason there is an actual debate about it, with people ACTUALLY agreeing with the original poster.

rethink your point of view ... because you're wrong.

Yet you're adding another blank reply on top of the 110 without presenting any meaningful arguments whatsoever.

[Vulcann]

Yet you're adding another blank reply on top of the 110 without presenting any meaningful arguments whatsoever.

because there is no argument to be made

you do this if you are not a tank you are wrong ... simple as that.

[ForteNightshade]

the saddest thing about this whole post is that its up to 110 replies (at the time of this post). In most other MMOs this is simply a no-no and the healer (or whoever pulls besides the tank) would be considered an asshole. the post would be flamed and the person posting it would be called all sorts of names until the post is locked by moderators.

but here for whatever reason there is an actual debate about it, with people ACTUALLY agreeing with the original poster.

rethink your point of view ... because you're wrong.

This occurs because trash mobs are so pitifully weak someone besides the tank can easily live pulling more mobs. And in the case of a healer, can tank them just fine themselves. Like I said earlier, you could be 100 ilvls below the recommended and a small pack would still barely even dent a tank.

Not saying I necessarily agree with the OP's approach but this is why some DPS and healers pull.

[SamRF]

This occurs because trash mobs are so pitifully weak someone besides the tank can easily live pulling more mobs. And in the case of a healer, can tank them just fine themselves. Like I said earlier, you could be 100 ilvls below the recommended and a small pack would still barely even dent a tank.

Not saying I necessarily agree with the OP's approach but this is why some DPS and healers pull.

Maybe this is the biggest problem. I wouldn't have made this thread if those absurdly low damage dungeons didn't exist in first place. Imo they should for sure adjust the syncs or increase the damage for some of the older content to make them worthy of being played in a party. Right now some dungeons can easily be done without a tank, or even without healer (at least for 90% of the dungeon).

[Nedkel]

the saddest thing about this whole post is that its up to 110 replies (at the time of this post). In most other MMOs this is simply a no-no and the healer (or whoever pulls besides the tank) would be considered an asshole. the post would be flamed and the person posting it would be called all sorts of names until the post is locked by moderators.
but here for whatever reason there is an actual debate about it, with people ACTUALLY agreeing with the original poster.
rethink your point of view ... because you're wrong.

In other mmos a tank pulling 1 group at time when he could easily without any problem take more than that would be kicked from the party or called a noob.

This is all what the entire thread boils down to, into a healer 100% capable of healing everything and tank slowing the team down for no apparent reason.
Hold 2 groups of mobs by spamming aoe and using cooldowns is not rocket science, everyone and their grandma could do it, no one expects 75%+ percintile type of performance from a tank

Ofc i dont support healer pulling on their own or anyone running ahead of tank making it harder for him, however in newer dungeons you are only able to pull 2 packs of mobs at time, sometimes 1, so it should come as a standard for a tank to pull wall to wall considering how dumb current dungeons are. In case of tank pulling everything there is no place for a healer to pull more, because he just cant if a tank is doing his job properly.