Prepulling mobs as healer

[SamRF]

Edit:
Please don't bother replying if you're just going to ignore the situation I described in original post. I'm not saying prepulling as healer is always okay, only in given specific situation.

Conclusion?: Reading this thread I see why the community is against this, even though I don't understand it, so I guess it served its purpose. I think I may not fit well in this community which in the end would be my fault and problem, not the community's.

I won't be surprised now after this thread. Just completely didn't understand why you'd get upset, cause I really don't see myself get mad in that situation as tank (I main tank). Instead of getting upset I'd say: "sorry for pulling too little". I don't feel entitled to determine the pace and amount of mobs as tank.

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Original post:

If you know the dungeon and have an idea of what's coming and how much damage there will be dealt, there's imo no point in not rushing ahead and pulling more mobs as healer when tank keeps pulls small, especially when tank is geared to the point you barely need to heal. Me and many other healers/players are constantly calculating which move will lead to most dps while keeping everybody alive, and rushing/pulling ahead is sometimes the best move in that regard

I usually don't prepull even when I know I can without problems, except for some cases, like in those lvl 50/60/70 dungeons. Sometimes I literally have to use maybe 5 healing abilities (oGCD/GCD) throughout whole dungeon even when tank pulls wall to wall. They are an absolute joke to heal through and thus they are very boring as healer cause you're stuck spamming 1 dps ability all the time.

Yet several times I've heard tank or dps get mad and tell me to stop prepulling, even when they had ignored my request to pull more. Meanwhile tank proceeds to not go beyond 80% health without any healing. Why is prepulling considered rude/bad in this case? Everyone is completely overgeared to the point they may solo the entire dungeon.

I don't mind at all if tank wants to keep pulls small, but they should also not mind if I go pull mobs and bring them to the tank. They literally don't have to do anything except their aoe rotation, which they are doing anyway.

[LaylaTsarra]

Queue as a tank if you want to pull. Most tanks in duties I heal pull everything, it's rare where they single pull mob sets.

[Arrius]

Find yourself a few people you can comfortably run dungeons with than running with DF groups in that case.

When they ignore you, don't push the issue and cause unnecessary drama. No one wants to argue in dungeons, because it's too stressful to deal with most of the time.

Bite down and just comply. Or remove the tank.

[spf1200]

If I'm tanking and a healer does this ( I pull wall to all most of the time) I let them die. If your tank isn't doing large pulls then there is a reason for it. Maybe they aren't comfortable doing so or maybe there is something else districting them so the can't go all out.

[SamRF]

Find yourself a few people you can comfortably run dungeons with than running with DF groups in that case.

When they ignore you, don't push the issue and cause unnecessary drama. No one wants to argue in dungeons, because it's too stressful to deal with most of the time.

Bite down and just comply. Or remove the tank.

Good point. I guess this post is a semi-rant. I just don't get this etiquette players seem to praise in this game for what is right or wrong when you are obviously maxing effeciency. Especially as healer, cause it's your job in the end to deal with irregularities.

[QooEr]

its cuz people cant let go of dumb conventions that literally do not matter. some dungeons can be cleared without a tank

[SamRF]

If I'm tanking and a healer does this ( I pull wall to all most of the time) I let them die. If your tank isn't doing large pulls then there is a reason for it. Maybe they aren't comfortable doing so or maybe there is something else districting them so the can't go all out.

You don't have to do anything besides your aoe if I bring the mobs to you. I get if you don't want to adjust your gameplay because a healer prepulls, but don't get upset when they do prepull and nobody dies (not saying you are like this, just what happens in the cases I prepull). Also I'm talking about a different situation than what you're talking about cause the healer ends up dying in your case, which wouldn't happen in the cases I prepull (bc overgear).

[Malmstrom]

What if they are new? What if they aren't as geared as you think? What if they aren't confident in their abilities? What if they are playing with one hand? What if...

There's a myriad number of reasons why someone might be pulling one group at a time.

You aren't the tank.

Don't pull.

OR

Be the tank.

Pull everything you want.

[SamRF]

What if they are new? What if they aren't as geared as you think? What if they aren't confident in their abilities? What if they are playing with one hand? What if...

There's a myriad number of reasons why someone might be pulling one group at a time.

You aren't the tank.

Don't pull.

OR

Be the tank.

Pull everything you want.

That's fine if they're new. Why would it matter if I prepull and bring mobs to the tank? They don't have to adjust their gameplay in any way. I'm not judging them, just don't get it when they end up getting upset.

[EaMett]

You should always check with your tank. The tank could be relatively new and uncomfortable with big pulls. If it's the case, they should dictate the pace. Period.

Barring this, the healer should dictate the pace yes. This doesn't mean the healer should pre-pull though.

There are some edge cases where the tank is experienced enough but has it in their mind that they just want to small pull because "they aren't in a rush", "are busy with something else" etc.. This is super super rare but when it happens your options are: kick tank (although I would never recommend kicking someone who isn't actively griefing), drop instance and take the penalty, or potentially pull mobs to him.
With that said, even though your tank should be doing his/her aoe rotation and as a healer pulling mobs to them is just you keeping yourself and the tank alive in the process and there should be relatively little harm in doing so. This is barely any faster than doing small pulls so just drop instance and take the 30mn penalty. Small pull dungeons usually take 30mn anyways so you'll only be losing about 15mn to redo the dungeon with large pulls. And this is something that happens so infrequently that it's not a big loss overall.

So what I'm saying is, either move to your tank's pace or drop instance and eat the penalty.

That's fine if they're new. Why would it matter if I prepull and bring mobs to the tank? They don't have to adjust their gameplay in any way. I'm not judging them, just don't get it when they end up getting upset.

It can be stressful when you're already tunnel visioning. Not to mention DPS potentially picking up adds. If the tank is new move to their pace or leave instance and let another healer fill in.