5.08 Patch - DPS still not balanced.

[Saito_]

It's actually the only objectivly debatable point. If certain comps were unable to complete content they'd require adjustments from the devs. Content must be able to be completed regardless of the party composition - that's the baseline. Every adjustment beyond that is (imho pointless) catering to community made problems.
Most people tend to take the route of least resistance, which is bad. But this is not a thing that can be solved(or even should be solved), as every change will just cause an uproar of those who feel disadvantaged, creating a pointless circle of changes and uproars.

[Akiudo]

It's actually the only objectivly debatable point. If certain comps were unable to complete content they'd require adjustments from the devs. Content must be able to be completed regardless of the party composition - that's the baseline. Every adjustment beyond that is (imho pointless) catering to community made problems.
Most people tend to take the route of least resistance, which is bad. But this is not a thing that can be solved(or even should be solved), as every change will just cause an uproar of those who feel disadvantaged, creating a pointless circle of changes and uproars.

if 2 groups do a fight, but one group is mnk/drg/blm/blm (or with a ton of goodwill a bard for the oh so great 1% buff) while the other is sam/rdm/brd/dnc do you have any idea how much harder group 2 has to work for the same result? obviously i'm painting an extreme here, but this coump would literally have to do all 70% parses to deal the same damage as the other combo at 30%. Mind you the weaker group would have an even harder time to reach a high parse compared to the stronger group as a lot of their damage comes from their raid contribution, which suffers do to all the weak classes being stacked. Also while their obviously allways will be someone that "feels" disadvantaged the point about someone feeling disadvantaged does not mean or even imply that someone may not be disadvantaged for real.

If i hand you+another person a job to do, you i tell "go and do your best" him i hand 10.000 bucks and a list of people he can contact for help than you sure as hell will cry foul even if what i demand from you is technically doable if you put in enough effort, its not about jobs "feeling" disadvantaged but about having cold hard numbers that show that in fact they are at an disadvantage, and not one so small just being 5% better can overcome it.

[ForteNightshade]

It's actually the only objectivly debatable point. If certain comps were unable to complete content they'd require adjustments from the devs. Content must be able to be completed regardless of the party composition - that's the baseline. Every adjustment beyond that is (imho pointless) catering to community made problems.
Most people tend to take the route of least resistance, which is bad. But this is not a thing that can be solved(or even should be solved), as every change will just cause an uproar of those who feel disadvantaged, creating a pointless circle of changes and uproars.

... this is a seriously flawed perspective. Why bother balancing jobs period then? Who cares if Monk gets buffed come 5.1. After all, the only thing that matters is the weakest job can still clear. It doesn't matter that by switching from Red Mage to Black Mage, you make it far easier on your healers because you're more likely to skip mechanics. And it doesn't matter that even if you're one of the best Red Mages in the game, a slightly above Black Mage still does better than you.

Blaming it on the community is silly, especially when it's actually more beneficial to take two Black Mages than any of the Range.

[Kabooa]

Week 1 and even week 2? While it may have been possible—very debatable with the former—it'd require everyone playing at a near perfect level.

Admittedly a huge outlier, but it's there.

Who would have thought you'd have to play your best for week 1 clears.

[AikenDrum]

Content must be able to be completed regardless of the party composition - that's the baseline. Every adjustment beyond that is (imho pointless) catering to community made problems.

Bottom 7 jobs at 100% in titan do 71/76k dps, meaning you can have one dps job doing maximum of 5k dps and your baseline would be met. Noone would be insane enough to take that job into content though.

[ForteNightshade]

Who would have thought you'd have to play your best for week 1 clears.

I like how you completely ignored the context of my post. Taking any of the big three doesn't require you playing at a near perfect level because they're all significantly better. So one comp can slack whereas the other can't.

[Kabooa]

I like how you completely ignored the context of my post. Taking any of the big three doesn't require you playing at a near perfect level because they're all significantly better. So one comp can slack whereas the other can't.

I like how you think anyone pushing week 1 is slacking.

[ForteNightshade]

I like how you think anyone pushing week 1 is slacking.

I didn't say they were. I said they can. At least relative to comparing comps running the big three in lieu of the rest. Please actually read my posts if you're going to reply.

[Kabooa]

I didn't say they were. I said they can. At least relative to comparing comps running the big three in lieu of the rest. Please actually read my posts if you're going to reply.

Lets flip this, and see how well these theoretical claims pan out.

You -can- clear week 1 without them.

So clearly anyone who didn't was just slacking. All of them. All of them.

Doesn't paint a very good light, does it?

[AikenDrum]

Slacking means making mistakes in this context ><