Thread: 5.08 Patch - DPS still not balanced.

Originally Posted by Saito_

I don't get why this discussion is so fired up. Is it actually impossible to complete savage raids in a non-meta comp e.g. SMN,RDM,NIN,DNC?

It is not about if certain non meta comp can get through hardest content
it is about the extra efforts certain comp have to put into to achieve the same result.
Of cause there would be a difference, the key is how large the difference
and this is how balance should work

Correct me if I’m wrong here, didn’t they want to move away from the dps meta in their content? Because if they did want to do that, they failed.

Originally Posted by Khalithar

Correct me if I’m wrong here, didn’t they want to move away from the dps meta in their content? Because if they did want to do that, they failed.

They wanted to move away from jobs being overly synergistic, like BRD+DRG+SCH+NIN in Stormblood. They succeeded almost too well.

Originally Posted by Baka_Neko1

A large amount of these arguments are anecdotal and heck, even most of these gaps can be made up for by having tanks/healers that are actually good at dpsing. the dps checks were slightly tight this tier, but they weren't unachievable. i saw a nin get 9% parses clear e1s-e3s just fine and dandy. it's all clearable with many comps. also, taking in 4 jobs that are utility based will bring a lot of those jobs up to the standard of the other jobs. MNK does not do higher pdps than sam, but slightly less and then there's brotherhood. the only reason mnk looks like it's massively stupidly ahead is because when it gets dance partner and drg tether, it's going to beat sam/blm. MNK is even a better dance partner because it has the fastest average GCD, so they'll often get that closed position. and if they get closed position, you might as well drg tether them too because of exponential growth. Also, that guy who said he ebat e4s on all 3 casters has 0 logs. just saiyan.

You do realise that rDPS is the subject here and not pDPS?
rDPS is calculate by taking the DPS taken from buffs such as dancer, dragoon tether or embolden. It also adds the DPS given with Brotherhood.
Meaning despite the jobs giving and taking from the team, MNK and BLM are still crazy broken and despite the DNC taking a good 5% DPS from a broken MNK, it's still the lowest rDPS

As for your Nin, I don't know why you think it's okay. It's actually the whole reason, if that Nin's comp was MNK+BLM then they could allow the Ninja's death. If their comp was NIN/RDM/DNC/BRD, the Ninja's death would put much more pressure on the rest of the team.

More DPS doesn't simply mean more DPS. It means more flexibility and margin of error.

Why do people defending current "balance" play as blm+mnk+drg and have week 1 clears that wouldn't be possible with other jobs?

I mean, I'd understand if general consensus was to nerf those jobs, but people are mostly advocating for bringing other jobs to blm/mnk/drg level, so it's not like it would affect their clears... Why then?