Lack of End Game Content

[Kaylessa]

Yes, but it's all related, which is perhaps another reason why we have the amount of content we have (aside from not having enough people), because they have to factor in time for people to level multiple jobs and gear them at reasonable pace.

Everything in a game is related in some way, that's really not the point. The point being expressed is that there isn't enough max level content for those who enjoy max level content. Pointing to progression or leveling content and saying "look content" is just not addressing the issue

[linay]

Everything in a game is related in some way, that's really not the point.

Well maybe it should, because if they're related, then they will have an effect on each other in how the game is made as a whole, which includes how many endgame content there is to be played. So if people don't enjoy the majority of content available in this game, there is a high probability that they will never be satisfied with the game unless the few things that they do enjoy takes enough time to justify their continued subscription. Otherwise, they'll probably just have to be satisfied with only subscribing for parts of the expansion (if not quitting entirely). And since Yoshida has said he's ok with people unsubscribing when they don't want to do anything in the game, I think it really does mean he's satisfied with the current endgame content, and probably there are enough players who are content as well, more or less.

[Kaylessa]

Well maybe it should, because if they're related, then they will have an effect on each other in how the game is made as a whole, which includes how many endgame content there is to be played. So if people don't enjoy the majority of content available in this game, there is a high probability that they will never be satisfied with the game unless the few things that they do enjoy takes enough time to justify their continued subscription. Otherwise, they'll probably just have to be satisfied with only subscribing for parts of the expansion (if not quitting entirely).

There's a lot of assumptions in this post along with one or two inaccuracies. The idea that people who want more end game content haven't enjoyed the majority of the content is an assumption. There are people who've been around since 2.0 or before who want more end game content. Also if people didn't enjoy the majority of the game then chances are they won't still be playing the game, so let's discuss content.

Leveling every single job isn't a significant part of the content of the game. It takes a boatload of time but leveling a second job through the same content is doing practically the same content (except job quests) through a different set of eyes. and pushing different buttons. Saying a person hasn't done anywhere near all the content because they have a third of the jobs leveled to 80 is inaccurate, they've done a boatload of content, just not 100 billion times to level black mage to 80.

What's being asked for is for the game to present more content at the end of the game. That doesn't mean these people don't like FFXIV, it doesn't mean these people have played hardly any of the game, all you can tell by this is these people would like more max level content.

[linay]

There's a lot of assumptions in this post along with one or two inaccuracies.

The assumptions are based on what people have said in this thread.

The idea that people who want more end game content haven't enjoyed the majority of the content is an assumption. There are people who've been around since 2.0 or before who want more end game content. Also if people didn't enjoy the majority of the game then chances are they won't still be playing the game, so let's discuss content.

The problem is that everyone has the same access to all content, yet some people can enjoy the game throughout each expansion while some cannot. Regardless if this latter group have enjoyed the content, there is obviously still a difference if they say they enjoyed the content compared to the people who continues to enjoy the content that they continue to pay the monthly subscription without taking a break.

Saying a person hasn't done anywhere near all the content because they have a third of the jobs leveled to 80 is inaccurate

I don't think I said this so this point is moot for me. Regardless, for those people who do the same content with different jobs, it still means they're getting more mileage out of that content.

What's being asked for is for the game to present more content at the end of the game. That doesn't mean these people don't like FFXIV, it doesn't mean these people have played hardly any of the game, all you can tell by this is these people would like more max level content.

And that's the point, regardless that some people just want a certain type of content, this game is made with different types of content and with the idea of people being able to redo those same content possibly through different jobs (maybe even different alt characters, oh the horror! j/k, maybe). The fact remains that there are people who can keep themselves busy with the content as is, and development would reflect that, to go back to the point that they're all related.

I didn't question people's love for the game, but again, people have said that they're "forced" to make the decision to unsubscribe for parts of the expansion. I'm just saying that if the developer is ok with that, don't expect any change on this front unless something forces them to take a look at their development cycle. (Earlier in this thread, I suggested that maybe if enough people quit entirely, then the game might change for them, because so far, unsubscribing temporarily and coming back each expansion fits with the developer's intention it would seem.)