Lack of End Game Content

[Zabuza]

Because unfortunately its working, despite yours and others complaints the game has continued to grow, gain more players it's not faltering or stalling out its still going in its stride and until something goes wrong SE are going to see no need to change anything.

People have been saying ARR needs fat trimmed as it turns away new players, I agree but the game pulls in more than it notices leave because of ARR.
PVP people want more, but the game continues to grow so it doesn't notice the people who want more PVP, can't get it and leave.
People want more end-game, more hardcore content more long lasting content but the game continues to grow without it so onward it goes.

That's why someone way at the start of this thread said the best thing all you people who want more end-game more hardcore content could do is leave permanently, not to get rid of you but because the only weapon SE will listen to is the bottom line, Yoshi listens but he can only work with the resources hes got so a shift to more of what you want is unlikely as is even if you did all leave as so long as the game continues to grow and thrive under its current model SE won't miss you.

You keep asking why the casuals aren't willing to give up a little of what they have for you but why should they? There are better options for what you want elsewhere just as this game suites their needs, you keep trying to tell them this game would be so much better and would tap its "true potential" if they just give you what you want, but what dose that mean to them? How is taking something even small away from themselves for content they have no interest in better the game for them? It dose not.

You're asking them to take something they like and alter part of it into something they do not, it's not surprising you'd get push back more so when you're telling them the 90% of the game they enjoy is irreverent to you while your 10% should be increased at the cost of theirs when there are games that already cater better to you and worse to them, but they are not there asking for it to suite them but you are here telling them to suite you.

I have already been unsubbing once I have full savage gear, and it hurts my heart every time. I do not like WoW, and I've not heard of any other MMO having proper endgame, so that leaves me with NOTHING. I want a home, and this could be it if they would be some effort in. The way I see it, they'd barely be taking anything away from the casual crowd to expand endgame, because I keep hearing you guys are drowning in content. I guess that's where we differ. Because I feel if they even took 5% of your casual content away to divert those resources to endgame, hardly anyone would unsub because they have so much content already, but they can finally give the starving raiders more to do, keeping subs like me in the process, and attracting other raiders to this game...

[Nims]

Your better off getting bored in FFXIV or playing another game than going back to BDO lol. That game has been nothing but a weekly disappointment ever since the November 2017 disaster.

Is that when they did something to all the classes? I haven't played in a very, very long time.

[BlitzAceRush]

I have already been unsubbing once I have full savage gear, and it hurts my heart every time. I do not like WoW, and I've not heard of any other MMO having proper endgame, so that leaves me with NOTHING. I want a home, and this could be it if they would be some effort in. The way I see it, they'd barely be taking anything away from the casual crowd to expand endgame, because I keep hearing you guys are drowning in content. I guess that's where we differ. Because I feel if they even took 5% of your casual content away to divert those resources to endgame, hardly anyone would unsub because they have so much content already, but they can finally give the starving raiders more to do, keeping subs like me in the process, and attracting other raiders to this game...

Yet as I pointed out, the game keeps growing doing what it's doing now, I know you say it'll keep you and attract raiders but that would have to be better than their current growth otherwise its a loss as simply changing nothing would have brought them better results.

it's also not as simple as take 5% from the casuals as Yoshi has said in regards to the Mythic+ question, it's about having enough of the right kinds of staff, people with the right skills and experience.
For example them cancelling the 3rd Ultimate early on lead to resources being available to create BA.
Now reverse that, lets say they gave you guys a second full savage raid, or your Mythic+ but as there are only a few people on their team who can do that level of content they were pulled off what they would have been working on, say the 3rd alliance raid now it's only "1" raid a small price to pay for a whole second savage raid or a full mythic plus system. However that's a whole piece of content sacrificed by the many, for the few, it's understandable they'd not be OK with that.

You also say you want a home, yet you've picked one of the most easy going and casual MMO's on the market to try and make your endgame stand. You say you don't like WoW but it is more suited for what you're asking for, as are other MMO's 14 very much isn't i's never prided itself on massive long lasting endgame content, even back in ARR with coil it was still one raid do it for the week and done.

You're not looking for a home in 14, it's more like you've rented a room in someone else's and then are trying to redecorate some of their rooms claiming "This could be my home too, if you just let me make some of it to my liking even though I knew going in that I was just getting the room."

[axetotheface]

Sadly ff 14 isn't the primary focus for SE, it is still belong to "FF offline" such as FF 7 Remake or FF 16 ????, SE approach to MMO market is still very conservative

So it is not some kind of mind game that Yoshi- P won't mind you to unsub and enjoy other game and come back when the new patch hit, this is just a realistic statement No BS, even during E3 he still promote FF 7 remake

People who want more or they leave are not evil/ bad or unique even i understand it, yet every expansion the active player gradually rising and preorder seems to be on the rise

WHY ??? , the dev/ Yoshi-P is not using any BS Marketing strategy when he talk to their player base, he try to manage their expectation, which is why the community love and respect him even when the didn't like something in the game

[Zabuza]

Yet as I pointed out, the game keeps growing doing what it's doing now, I know you say it'll keep you and attract raiders but that would have to be better than their current growth otherwise its a loss as simply changing nothing would have brought them better results.

it's also not as simple as take 5% from the casuals as Yoshi has said in regards to the Mythic+ question, it's about having enough of the right kinds of staff, people with the right skills and experience.
For example them cancelling the 3rd Ultimate early on lead to resources being available to create BA.
Now reverse that, lets say they gave you guys a second full savage raid, or your Mythic+ but as there are only a few people on their team who can do that level of content they were pulled off what they would have been working on, say the 3rd alliance raid now it's only "1" raid a small price to pay for a whole second savage raid or a full mythic plus system. However that's a whole piece of content sacrificed by the many, for the few, it's understandable they'd not be OK with that.

You also say you want a home, yet you've picked one of the most easy going and casual MMO's on the market to try and make your endgame stand. You say you don't like WoW but it is more suited for what you're asking for, as are other MMO's 14 very much isn't i's never prided itself on massive long lasting endgame content, even back in ARR with coil it was still one raid do it for the week and done.

You're not looking for a home in 14, it's more like you've rented a room in someone else's and then are trying to redecorate some of their rooms claiming "This could be my home too, if you just let me make some of it to my liking even though I knew going in that I was just getting the room."

Even if I accepted your premise, would that piece being sacrificed even hurt the casual population much if they are drowning in content? And basically what you're telling me is to not want anything more for this game and just accept second-class status here or leave...I mean, I guess that's great for you since you already have what you want.

[MonteCristo]

Dear OP:

Have you maxed out every class? Maxed out your botany, mining and fishing? Completed every quest in the game? Acquired all the mounts, pets and Triple Triad cards? Have you been checking off achievements one after the other? Gotten everything there is to get with hunt marks? Maxed out your squads? Gotten a set of end game gear for every class you've gotten to max? What I mean to say is that there is plenty of content to work on and things to do. If all you care about is level 80 dungeons and raids then that's a you problem, not a content problem. There's lots of end game crafting to be done that is extremely profitable, such as running level 80 maps for the indigo cloth for the Summer Indigo shirt. (The cloth alone sells for 2 million a pop, let alone the top itself is sitting at right about 5-8 million gil.)

Anyroad, there's lots of things to do. Not all of it has 'level 80' stamped onto it but there's LOTS for you to still accomplish and my bets are on that you haven't.

Please tell me this is a gd joke....seriously?

[Nims]

Even if I accepted your premise, would that piece being sacrificed even hurt the casual population much if they are drowning in content? And basically what you're telling me is to not want anything more for this game and just accept second-class status here or leave...I mean, I guess that's great for you since you already have what you want.

I wish people like this would have the same attitude when they go to PvP games and ask for PvE servers or for less PvP. Or when they ask for things to be made more casual.

[RareItems]

Is that when they did something to all the classes? I haven't played in a very, very long time.

November 2017 is when Black Desert Online released Kamasylvia Part 2, except the servers were so laggy you couldn't stay logged on for more than 30 minutes. You could not even AFK fish lol. This went from November to January 2018. There was even a massive protest led by popular Streamers on Calpheon. The GM's did nothing but blame the player's ISP's for the lag and even recommended Mudfish VPN, which is a Korean VPN. November 2017 was the beginning of the end of BDO lol. That's when most players opened their eyes and realized how much of a scam the game is.

Someone even made a meme video about the disaster lol. See for yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf4qVjBQD9M

This was followed by broken promises not to make the game P2W, Speedhackers literally everywhere and GM's not doing anything about it, Regular players abusing Seamonster Hunting and Guild Payouts, and most recently, BDO releasing the Central market with a known bug that eat's player's money and makes it disappear lol. You will never see such incompetence in FFXIV lol. Your better off playing any other game or doing something else than wasting your time on that game.

[Krotoan]

Even if I accepted your premise, would that piece being sacrificed even hurt the casual population much if they are drowning in content? And basically what you're telling me is to not want anything more for this game and just accept second-class status here or leave...I mean, I guess that's great for you since you already have what you want.

Well yes. Nobody here who is getting everything they want would like it to change. This isn't greedy, or selfish but common sense. Why give up anything if it's all working for us now?

Tell me it'd stop at 5% and I won't believe you. Then it would be "well if we just had... " . If this had anything to do with actual human suffering or needs you'd have an argument since people would be being denied basic human needs. But it's a video game and a complete luxury. This is our place, you are welcome to come in and play , but we're going to complain if you try to change it. I believe you expressed the same sentiment.

[linay]

The time consuming part is the leveling, not the doing of max level content which is the point I believe. That once you finish leveling your jobs there really isn't all that much max lvl content to do.

Yes, but it's all related, which is perhaps another reason why we have the amount of content we have (aside from not having enough people), because they have to factor in time for people to level multiple jobs and gear them at reasonable pace.