Lack of End Game Content

[Hawklaser]

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Not really. XI's Chains of Promathia expansion is a good example. Many really enjoyed that expansion, while the reward at the end was phenomenal it wad never really mandatory either.

People could have sold clears for the content, people tried to buy clears for the content, yet that never really took hold (at least on my server).

There were even really good sellable items behind certain CoP progression points, yet those never really became big sellers either.

You might wonder why those things never really happened. A lot of it had to do with the satisfaction that came from finally earning those rewards. There was also a bit of prestige that came with it too.

You think people get it bad when they show up with outdated gear and not really having a clue whats going on? That is nothing compared to how much flak those with something like CoPs Rajas Ring and being clueless got.

At some point people have to realize they may not be able to clear all content in every game they play, unless they are willing to put in some work to improve their play. Raiders selling clears of hard content to others isn't really doing the other person a favor in the long run, as it just delays that realization that they might actually have to put in a little work to beat something.

The current endgame problem is that there is a large gap in the expected performance between the difficulty tiers, such that it feels like you are missing 5 worlds of an 8 world mario game.

[SaberMaxwell]

Why are ya'll bringing up the old raid loot system?

I never even said i prefered it lol.

Because the old raid loot system is all we have to compare it to, and compared to it, it's better. There will never be a perfect loot system in a game.

Just that the current one is problematic (which it is).

All i said is that you will gear faster with a static than a pug with the current system (which you will).

Hot take: It's not problematic that a group of 8 people can coordinate to gear the group faster than a solo agent rolling with seven randos can. I also can't envision a loot system short of giving everyone their own individual loot that would ever solve this problem.

[Lunavi]

Not really. XI's Chains of Promathia expansion is a good example. Many really enjoyed that expansion, while the reward at the end was phenomenal it wad never really mandatory either.

People could have sold clears for the content, people tried to buy clears for the content, yet that never really took hold (at least on my server).

There were even really good sellable items behind certain CoP progression points, yet those never really became big sellers either.

You might wonder why those things never really happened. A lot of it had to do with the satisfaction that came from finally earning those rewards. There was also a bit of prestige that came with it too.

You think people get it bad when they show up with outdated gear and not really having a clue whats going on? That is nothing compared to how much flak those with something like CoPs Rajas Ring and being clueless got.

At some point people have to realize they may not be able to clear all content in every game they play, unless they are willing to put in some work to improve their play. Raiders selling clears of hard content to others isn't really doing the other person a favor in the long run, as it just delays that realization that they might actually have to put in a little work to beat something.

The current endgame problem is that there is a large gap in the expected performance between the difficulty tiers, such that it feels like you are missing 5 worlds of an 8 world mario game.

Never said selling clears was doing the buyer any favors, But that it is a good way raiders have to pay for their food, pots, and painfully overpriced crafted gear at the start of each raid cycle while doing content they enjoy, while at the same time offering high end crafters who make some of theirs’ pot’s, food, and armor and sell on MB a service they might actually find attractive. It is economy, not favors.

But I do 100% agree that what this game fundamentally needs to have a healthier raiding scene are more steps between normal raid, savage raid, and ultimate. The steps up in difficulty are indeed ridiculous. There needs to be one more step in terms of difficulty between EX difficulty and Savage difficulty and one further between savage and ultimate. However, this costs time and resources to make, so what should they scrap? What other content is as impopular as high-end raiding? I think more people even play around in the golden saucer than in Savage.

However, I still stand critical to the Notion that the only progression people can do as a battleclass should be hidden behind savage because otherwise no one will do it.

[Avraym]

Because the old raid loot system is all we have to compare it to, and compared to it, it's better. There will never be a perfect loot system in a game.



Hot take: It's not problematic that a group of 8 people can coordinate to gear the group faster than a solo agent rolling with seven randos can. I also can't envision a loot system short of giving everyone their own individual loot that would ever solve this problem.

Hot Take: You're very ignorant if you think what we have now is ideal and couldn't be improved upon.

[SaberMaxwell]

Hot Take: You're very ignorant if you think what we have now is ideal and couldn't be improved upon.

Not problematic doesn't mean ideal.

[Avraym]

Not problematic doesn't mean ideal.

Why glorify something thats not ideal ?

[SaberMaxwell]

Why glorify something thats not ideal ?

Why exaggerate how bad something is?

[Nora_of_Mira]

Why glorify something thats not ideal ?

I also can't envision a loot system short of giving everyone their own individual loot that would ever solve this problem.

what are you suggesting

[MonteCristo]

Why exaggerate how bad something is?

Because this is a death sentence....how long do u expect people to be ok with the zombie brain dead hamster wheel tomestone method?

[Avraym]

what are you suggesting

I like the token system we have. The problem is that people can roll on it every week, even if they have the piece it trades into.

I'd like to see restrictions on this. To constantly be out rolled on drops people don't need as their current class feels bad week after week.