Lack of End Game Content

[Eriane_Elis]

Yoshi P always complained about the limited budget they had to put into the game but now that FF14 is the new WoW, I'm sure their budget will be increased to allow a crazy about of new content. I just hope it's quality and not just quantity.

[Zabuza]

Yoshi P always complained about the limited budget they had to put into the game but now that FF14 is the new WoW, I'm sure their budget will be increased to allow a crazy about of new content. I just hope it's quality and not just quantity.

I wish that what you say was the case. FFXIV has already been their biggest moneymaker as of late and they have still diverted funds from it to other projects. I think it is a mistake, as FFXIV is quite popular now, and could be more so if they would pay it some additional attention.

[BlitzAceRush]

I wish that what you say was the case. FFXIV has already been their biggest moneymaker as of late and they have still diverted funds from it to other projects. I think it is a mistake, as FFXIV is quite popular now, and could be more so if they would pay it some additional attention.

Because unfortunately its working, despite yours and others complaints the game has continued to grow, gain more players it's not faltering or stalling out its still going in its stride and until something goes wrong SE are going to see no need to change anything.

People have been saying ARR needs fat trimmed as it turns away new players, I agree but the game pulls in more than it notices leave because of ARR.
PVP people want more, but the game continues to grow so it doesn't notice the people who want more PVP, can't get it and leave.
People want more end-game, more hardcore content more long lasting content but the game continues to grow without it so onward it goes.

That's why someone way at the start of this thread said the best thing all you people who want more end-game more hardcore content could do is leave permanently, not to get rid of you but because the only weapon SE will listen to is the bottom line, Yoshi listens but he can only work with the resources hes got so a shift to more of what you want is unlikely as is even if you did all leave as so long as the game continues to grow and thrive under its current model SE won't miss you.

You keep asking why the casuals aren't willing to give up a little of what they have for you but why should they? There are better options for what you want elsewhere just as this game suites their needs, you keep trying to tell them this game would be so much better and would tap its "true potential" if they just give you what you want, but what dose that mean to them? How is taking something even small away from themselves for content they have no interest in better the game for them? It dose not.

You're asking them to take something they like and alter part of it into something they do not, it's not surprising you'd get push back more so when you're telling them the 90% of the game they enjoy is irreverent to you while your 10% should be increased at the cost of theirs when there are games that already cater better to you and worse to them, but they are not there asking for it to suite them but you are here telling them to suite you.

[Zabuza]

Because unfortunately its working, despite yours and others complaints the game has continued to grow, gain more players it's not faltering or stalling out its still going in its stride and until something goes wrong SE are going to see no need to change anything.

People have been saying ARR needs fat trimmed as it turns away new players, I agree but the game pulls in more than it notices leave because of ARR.
PVP people want more, but the game continues to grow so it doesn't notice the people who want more PVP, can't get it and leave.
People want more end-game, more hardcore content more long lasting content but the game continues to grow without it so onward it goes.

That's why someone way at the start of this thread said the best thing all you people who want more end-game more hardcore content could do is leave permanently, not to get rid of you but because the only weapon SE will listen to is the bottom line, Yoshi listens but he can only work with the resources hes got so a shift to more of what you want is unlikely as is even if you did all leave as so long as the game continues to grow and thrive under its current model SE won't miss you.

You keep asking why the casuals aren't willing to give up a little of what they have for you but why should they? There are better options for what you want elsewhere just as this game suites their needs, you keep trying to tell them this game would be so much better and would tap its "true potential" if they just give you what you want, but what dose that mean to them? How is taking something even small away from themselves for content they have no interest in better the game for them? It dose not.

You're asking them to take something they like and alter part of it into something they do not, it's not surprising you'd get push back more so when you're telling them the 90% of the game they enjoy is irreverent to you while your 10% should be increased at the cost of theirs when there are games that already cater better to you and worse to them, but they are not there asking for it to suite them but you are here telling them to suite you.

I have already been unsubbing once I have full savage gear, and it hurts my heart every time. I do not like WoW, and I've not heard of any other MMO having proper endgame, so that leaves me with NOTHING. I want a home, and this could be it if they would be some effort in. The way I see it, they'd barely be taking anything away from the casual crowd to expand endgame, because I keep hearing you guys are drowning in content. I guess that's where we differ. Because I feel if they even took 5% of your casual content away to divert those resources to endgame, hardly anyone would unsub because they have so much content already, but they can finally give the starving raiders more to do, keeping subs like me in the process, and attracting other raiders to this game...

[BlitzAceRush]

I have already been unsubbing once I have full savage gear, and it hurts my heart every time. I do not like WoW, and I've not heard of any other MMO having proper endgame, so that leaves me with NOTHING. I want a home, and this could be it if they would be some effort in. The way I see it, they'd barely be taking anything away from the casual crowd to expand endgame, because I keep hearing you guys are drowning in content. I guess that's where we differ. Because I feel if they even took 5% of your casual content away to divert those resources to endgame, hardly anyone would unsub because they have so much content already, but they can finally give the starving raiders more to do, keeping subs like me in the process, and attracting other raiders to this game...

Yet as I pointed out, the game keeps growing doing what it's doing now, I know you say it'll keep you and attract raiders but that would have to be better than their current growth otherwise its a loss as simply changing nothing would have brought them better results.

it's also not as simple as take 5% from the casuals as Yoshi has said in regards to the Mythic+ question, it's about having enough of the right kinds of staff, people with the right skills and experience.
For example them cancelling the 3rd Ultimate early on lead to resources being available to create BA.
Now reverse that, lets say they gave you guys a second full savage raid, or your Mythic+ but as there are only a few people on their team who can do that level of content they were pulled off what they would have been working on, say the 3rd alliance raid now it's only "1" raid a small price to pay for a whole second savage raid or a full mythic plus system. However that's a whole piece of content sacrificed by the many, for the few, it's understandable they'd not be OK with that.

You also say you want a home, yet you've picked one of the most easy going and casual MMO's on the market to try and make your endgame stand. You say you don't like WoW but it is more suited for what you're asking for, as are other MMO's 14 very much isn't i's never prided itself on massive long lasting endgame content, even back in ARR with coil it was still one raid do it for the week and done.

You're not looking for a home in 14, it's more like you've rented a room in someone else's and then are trying to redecorate some of their rooms claiming "This could be my home too, if you just let me make some of it to my liking even though I knew going in that I was just getting the room."

[Zabuza]

Yet as I pointed out, the game keeps growing doing what it's doing now, I know you say it'll keep you and attract raiders but that would have to be better than their current growth otherwise its a loss as simply changing nothing would have brought them better results.

it's also not as simple as take 5% from the casuals as Yoshi has said in regards to the Mythic+ question, it's about having enough of the right kinds of staff, people with the right skills and experience.
For example them cancelling the 3rd Ultimate early on lead to resources being available to create BA.
Now reverse that, lets say they gave you guys a second full savage raid, or your Mythic+ but as there are only a few people on their team who can do that level of content they were pulled off what they would have been working on, say the 3rd alliance raid now it's only "1" raid a small price to pay for a whole second savage raid or a full mythic plus system. However that's a whole piece of content sacrificed by the many, for the few, it's understandable they'd not be OK with that.

You also say you want a home, yet you've picked one of the most easy going and casual MMO's on the market to try and make your endgame stand. You say you don't like WoW but it is more suited for what you're asking for, as are other MMO's 14 very much isn't i's never prided itself on massive long lasting endgame content, even back in ARR with coil it was still one raid do it for the week and done.

You're not looking for a home in 14, it's more like you've rented a room in someone else's and then are trying to redecorate some of their rooms claiming "This could be my home too, if you just let me make some of it to my liking even though I knew going in that I was just getting the room."

Even if I accepted your premise, would that piece being sacrificed even hurt the casual population much if they are drowning in content? And basically what you're telling me is to not want anything more for this game and just accept second-class status here or leave...I mean, I guess that's great for you since you already have what you want.

[Nims]

Even if I accepted your premise, would that piece being sacrificed even hurt the casual population much if they are drowning in content? And basically what you're telling me is to not want anything more for this game and just accept second-class status here or leave...I mean, I guess that's great for you since you already have what you want.

I wish people like this would have the same attitude when they go to PvP games and ask for PvE servers or for less PvP. Or when they ask for things to be made more casual.

[Krotoan]

Even if I accepted your premise, would that piece being sacrificed even hurt the casual population much if they are drowning in content? And basically what you're telling me is to not want anything more for this game and just accept second-class status here or leave...I mean, I guess that's great for you since you already have what you want.

Well yes. Nobody here who is getting everything they want would like it to change. This isn't greedy, or selfish but common sense. Why give up anything if it's all working for us now?

Tell me it'd stop at 5% and I won't believe you. Then it would be "well if we just had... " . If this had anything to do with actual human suffering or needs you'd have an argument since people would be being denied basic human needs. But it's a video game and a complete luxury. This is our place, you are welcome to come in and play , but we're going to complain if you try to change it. I believe you expressed the same sentiment.

[BlitzAceRush]

Even if I accepted your premise, would that piece being sacrificed even hurt the casual population much if they are drowning in content? And basically what you're telling me is to not want anything more for this game and just accept second-class status here or leave...I mean, I guess that's great for you since you already have what you want.

Well, yes, it would. Losing that 24 man would impact so many more people than not having mythic+ would, again you're asking the many to be willing to give up something they want and expect from a game the love it is for for a few that openly admit the game isn't designed for them but could be redesigned for them.

You're not second class and you're not somewhere you're not wanted though you like to be dramatic, you've willingly come to a game that is not designed to give you want you want, admit it likely couldn't with out removing other content or slowing the patch cycle and despite all this saying any sacrifice is fine because the game that isn't designed for me should alter itself for me, even though the majority who are here are here because it's the way it is now.

Again you're not asking for a better for the game, you're trying to redesign it into something its not and not trying to be, not because it would make the game better, but because it would make it better for you.

Seeing as your argument is those with more should sacrifice for those with less, even when it makes little to no sense, the PVP guys have less than you, if the only person who could design more PVP content was also the lead designer on raids, as you've 5% to their 2% wouldn't you mind losing something for them? After all you've got more than them, isn't that loss worth letting them find a home here too?

[Jojoya]

I want a home, and this could be it if they would be some effort in.

If you want to make a home out of a MMO, you need to invest in more than just one part. It's not SE that's failing to put in effort, you are the one that isn't. You need to start playing other parts of the game if you intend it to be your home.

End game content is any content requiring a level cap job. You're the one limiting yourself here by narrowing defining what you're willing to do to just Savage Raiding and EX trials when there is a lot of other content that also requires a level 80 job. It can be argued that solo farming HW EX trials is end game content since it's not something people are likely to accomplish on anything other than a level 80 job (though I wouldn't be surprised if there are a handful of exceptionally skilled player that probably could do some of them at a lower level).

The FFXIV team has made it clear they prefer players come to the game when new content is released, enjoy what parts of it interest them, then move on and enjoy other games until new content here is released then come back to enjoy the new content. They don't actually want you making it your only and permanent home. They go far as to talk about other games they personally play and enjoy outside of FFXIV.

That's a healthy attitude for them to take and one that more players should likewise learn to embrace. No one game should consume all a person's leisure time when there are so many other things they could also be experiencing.

SE is making the amount of content they feel comfortable making based on their philosophy for this game. If it's not enough for you, then it's not enough for you. That's the point you need to accept you need to also start playing other games in addition to FFXIV if you're not going to take an interest in the other content this game has to offer.