Lack of End Game Content

[MonteCristo]

The thread is about the lack of max level content, not content in general. You keep wanting to talk about things unrelated to the topic.

Pick up a single player RPG with optional classes and you can complete the game without playing every class. If you have OCD then you can complete the game on every class if you wish, but it's not essential. Same with FFXIV, you can reach endgame without completing every job. The idea that you must be a completionist with OCD and complete every single achievement in the game before you can ask for more max level content is nonsensical, there is no logical link between the two.

Thank you.....

[Windwalker]

We all know Final Fantasy has a formula for each expansion. The question is, is it enough to keep max level players sated.

Scottzone breaks down his thoughts in the below and articulates it better than I can:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJPGDmkb-j8

In my opinion, Shadowbringers overall is a fantastic expansion, with rich story telling, awe inspiring visuals and songs that are pieces of art. Unfortunately, once you hit max level, have acquired your extreme and tome gears - one can find themselves asking, "Is that it?".

Eden Savage is a much needed and welcomed addition, but 4 fights don't feel like enough end game content to keep a player busy. The game feels like it needs content between Eden Normal and Eden Savage.

I know new tomes are coming out in 2 weeks, but farming old content for tomes doesn't feel like enough.

In every other MMORPG I played, I never ran out of content to do at max level within less than two weeks of an expansion. There was always plenty to keep my max level busy and challenged.

Am I alone in wishing that we had more to keep our max level classes busy? I feel like the game offers so much "along the way to 80", but it just stops there and wants to level something else.

The game has grown substantially over the years and has definitely attracted more like minded people who are used to having plenty of options of end game content in its competitors.

In the interests of the games longevity and continued support of its subscribers, its a conversation worth having.

I'm interested in knowing what other players think who have experienced other MMORPGS at max level. Do you find yourself running out of things to do at max level? Obviously this excludes things like, leveling, old content etc.

If not - please provide examples of the kind of content you play at level 80 that keeps you busy.

Well, theres always hunts for 80 players, weekly raids, extremes. If your done with it, pickup another job and level. Thats what most do in FFXIV. I have all my combat jobs at 70 and i still have alot to do. Theres also crafting, gathering and housing or a ton of stuff in the gold saucer, like chocobo races. The real end game is getting every job to 80 including crafting and gathering, minus Blue mage that can only reach 50. If your done with that, then im not sure what else to do lol.

Just something to note, FFXIV does not only focus on a single job, you have many to work your way trough. Also, Square takes great care in making raids and dungeons, its better to have quality over quantity.

[Homestuckergrl]

I think that's the gripe I have. The game has all the potential in the world to offer a game that starts at end game, but restricts itself to the formula.

I know I'm super late to this party, but I'm gonna weigh in a bit here.
I get why some people were attracted to WoW. I do. But WoW was not everyone's cup of tea. Myself included. I found WoW to honestly be boring after it's first couple expacs.
And the problem with games that follow the formula of "game starts at endgame" is it encourages people to rush to the end so they can join people at endgame. They skip story! We end up with more people like LP in the game paying to skip the actual content of each expac so they can join endgame. That's not what this game is meant for. This game is meant to be savored, played at each individual player's pace, and then enjoyed at the end while we wait and prepare for story patches. If they added more endgame content, I don't want it to completely override the formula they have now.

[foussi]

Hmm gonna reply in this thread again.
In all honesty, even if hardcore players get enough endgame content, most will probably get tired of after some months.
Its pretty much nearly impossible to create.

Its an cycle that will never end, if we get the next expansion in 2 years, the same issue will reappear.

[galbsadi]

Hmm gonna reply in this thread again.
In all honesty, even if hardcore players get enough endgame content, most will probably get tired of after some months.
Its pretty much nearly impossible to create.

Its an cycle that will never end, if we get the next expansion in 2 years, the same issue will reappear.

Not sure OP is even a hardcore player like such mentioned. Currently a certain well-known site that measure's people's performance for endgame fights has zero clears by OP of any content at lv80. It's technically possible that OP just didn't happen to run with anybody who was parsing ever, but more likely that they themselves are merely stirring the pot here, IMO.

Couple that with the way they're treating people who have only ever been friendly and helpful in the forums (see post immediately above yours)...and yeah, I personally think OP isn't worth even responding to anymore. Don't feed trolls and all that.

[Avraym]

Not sure OP is even a hardcore player like such mentioned. Currently a certain well-known site that measure's people's performance for endgame fights has zero clears by OP of any content at lv80. It's technically possible that OP just didn't happen to run with anybody who was parsing ever, but more likely that they themselves are merely stirring the pot here, IMO.

Couple that with the way they're treating people who have only ever been friendly and helpful in the forums (see post immediately above yours)...and yeah, I personally think OP isn't worth even responding to anymore. Don't feed trolls and all that.

I never claimed to be "hard core" however, your "well-known" site, should show that I have completed all level 80 content successfully, multiple times to receive best in slot for my main, up until the patch that was released moments ago.

Heres a quick screenshot that demonstrates I have all Tomes gear on the left, Titania weapon and all innocence accessories to debunk your opinion.



Your post just seems a poor attempt to defame, unsuccessfully I might add.

[Zabuza]

See I'm not sure you aren't trolling and purposely being obtuse at this point. You see you keep ranting about being a raider even to the point that you keep acting as if you're speaking on all of their behalf. Well after a quick lookup I can say that you are most definitely not a raider you are simply someone who joins raids and may or may not even be part of a static but I sincerely doubt it. The reason I'm saying this is rather simple the difference between Raiders and People that Raid is Raiders will actually have their crafting and gathering jobs maxed alongside their chosen raiding job the reason for this is because raiders will spend the time gathering and crafting items that will specifically benefit them and their statics in the raid content that means, Potions, Food, etc.etc. and they do this on the weekly they don't just rely on 1 person in the static to provide all of that and they definitely don't get what they need off the market board, (Auction house, Galactic Trade Kiosk, Etc.) I may not have really raided last expansion (Hell just came back in April and goofed off before new expac) But I have raided in both WoW and SWToR and I do plan on Raiding here with the new expansion out. I'm patient enough to spend the weeks in between working on leveling my crafts and gathering so I have more to provide in addition to my playing my chosen jobs. if you cant find something to fill your time in between raid times then maybe you just arent planning on doing much more than joining raids.

I have cleared raids but by your definition, I'm not a raider because I don't have all my crafts at max? I think this is the first time I've heard that someone needs to have max crafts in order to be considered a raider. Food/pots can simply be bought off the market board, or you have someone in your FC or static who provides these for the group.

PS. Two hours of the patch being out and turns 1 and 2 have already been cleared by the community. What a joke.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

I have cleared raids but by your definition, I'm not a raider because I don't have all my crafts at max? I think this is the first time I've heard that someone needs to have max crafts in order to be considered a raider. Food/pots can simply be bought off the market board, or you have someone in your FC or static who provides these for the group.

PS. Two hours of the patch being out and turns 1 and 2 have already been cleared by the community. What a joke.

Did you clear them?

[RyuSaarva]

I have cleared raids but by your definition, I'm not a raider because I don't have all my crafts at max? I think this is the first time I've heard that someone needs to have max crafts in order to be considered a raider. Food/pots can simply be bought off the market board, or you have someone in your FC or static who provides these for the group.

PS. Two hours of the patch being out and turns 1 and 2 have already been cleared by the community. What a joke.

yes what a joke that a handfull of worlds best players clear content fast.