Quote Originally Posted by Feidam View Post
Having expectations isn’t elitist. How you behave with those expectations is what becomes elitist and toxic. There are and will be below average players always. They however should not be mistreat in the base content. As we hit extremes and savage etc then we can weed people out. Maybe what we need are extreme lvl dungeons! Those could be fun.
I still say toxic is subjective, as this thread shows people think asking people to do more is toxic, and people think not doing more is toxic. So is it toxic to queue up in dungeons knowing full well you don't care about how you play? Is it toxic to be a "you don't play my sub" type user? Or is it only toxic to be someone who kicks said user?

Quote Originally Posted by Physic View Post
kicking should not be based on the meta, it should be based on edge cases. You should not be kicking people for being just below average. My 5% comment had nothing to do with toxicity, it has to do with subjectivity and expectation. I'm saying, i am a big guy, how easy i think it is to open a jar is probably not the same as 12 year old girl. People seem to forget that kicking people is a punishment. You shouldnt be punishing people for being average.
Someone earlier threw out the GM's response about kicking based on "differences in playstyle" being a perfectly good reason for kicking. So if a GM says so...