Tank entitlement vs group entitlement

[cicatriz313]

Well asking to do more can be toxic. It all depends on the delivery and they way you are ask. Asking itself is not toxic. Playing suboptimal is not toxic and If the dungeon clears for basic content honestly they succeeded. The base content is there for the average or lower average players so honestly that is where your expectations should be and you can control your behaviors from there. Also if a player starts doing the you don’t pay sub bit they are every ounce of toxic as others. Get through the dungeon blacklist and move on. We are talking about people kicking people in base content instead of getting through it and blacklisting. This isn’t an all or none. There is toxicity across the spectrum. AnOther option is create a premade if you have to be optimal at all times. That solves the entire issue. SE purposefully set the bar low for base content and you will get players that are suboptimal and they have every right to be in that content as it is the level designed for them.

I am really liking the idea of extreme level 4 man dungeons so those that want more optimal play can go there.

Well, I respect your opinion, and I hope people like you will be there to carry all the players who will get booted for "differences in playstyle" because if I see anyone mention "don't play my sub", they're getting a kick. I'm honestly under the impression that a tank who refuses to pull large when a group expresses confidence in the party's ability to do so, is the type of player who refuses to change and would say that type of stuff. I mean, of course the bar is set low to allow players to get through the game, it allows SE to keep raking in the dough, but if I have the tools to make MY experience better, and the rest of the party agrees, I don't think it's toxic to do so.

i havent seen the context of this response, but if a gm says something that can have no objective meaning, they are basically just telling people they will use their own judgement for any given situation.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...fore_the_last/
It reads to me that people have the right to kick people for other reasons than are listed and they don't constitute a breach of rules. Seems pretty clear and not a "judgement basis" to me, at least until we see otherwise from a GM response I'll be conducting myself according to what I've read and seen.