Tank entitlement vs group entitlement

[Physic]

Well, I respect your opinion, and I hope people like you will be there to carry all the players who will get booted for "differences in playstyle" because if I see anyone mention "don't play my sub", they're getting a kick. I'm honestly under the impression that a tank who refuses to pull large when a group expresses confidence in the party's ability to do so, is the type of player who refuses to change and would say that type of stuff. I mean, of course the bar is set low to allow players to get through the game, it allows SE to keep raking in the dough, but if I have the tools to make MY experience better, and the rest of the party agrees, I don't think it's toxic to do so.


https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...fore_the_last/
It reads to me that people have the right to kick people for other reasons than are listed and they don't constitute a breach of rules. Seems pretty clear and not a "judgement basis" to me, at least until we see otherwise from a GM response I'll be conducting myself according to what I've read and seen.

that shows no context, the message is clearly a part of a longer conversation. We have no information on what happened, or why they kicked them. The Gm is basically saying that they will allow kicks that are outside of the 4 reasons stated, if they feel like it, based on their judgement.


As i said, the gm is basically saying we looked at our case, and regardless of the letter of the law, we find no wrong done. They are not saying, as everybody else is with hyperbole, that they will allow anything.


Regardless, this was never a conversation about whether you have the physical ability to initiate a kick, it has always been about what are legitimate acceptable reasons for kicking people.


I can say just going by whatever SE enforces via gm moderation, almost all of the tos, and most norms would be considered to not apply. How many botters, griefers, exploiters, harassers etc have never seen an action taken against them? Does that mean SE is cool with it? Does that mean the community is? Does that mean the basic social behavior norms are?

The majority of people that get kicked are BELOW the average.

Nothing to do with meta or being average, it's when you are waaay below the average when we have a problem.

you shouldnt be kicking people for being below average, by definition 49% of people are below average, i can guarantee you that SE does not want 49% of the population to be kicked from dungeons.


The only reason SE is not going to make a big deal about kicks, is that it would be hard to enforce, and by and large, its not a problem. Most people actually dont kick players for being below average. I have played with many bad players, and have sometimes been the bad player myself. Most kicks i have seen are based on AFK/offline. And most of the skill based kicks were actually more about clashes of ego rather than any objective person sucking more than the other. And those were super rare, and they didnt go anywhere, because i usually play with friends, or dont vote to kick some one based on that premise.



leaving is way more likely than kicking, and leaving though annoying at times is definitely fair to all involved.