Quote Originally Posted by cicatriz313 View Post
I still say toxic is subjective, as this thread shows people think asking people to do more is toxic, and people think not doing more is toxic. So is it toxic to queue up in dungeons knowing full well you don't care about how you play? Is it toxic to be a "you don't play my sub" type user? Or is it only toxic to be someone who kicks said user?
Well asking to do more can be toxic. It all depends on the delivery and they way you ask. Asking itself is not toxic. Playing suboptimal is not toxic and If the dungeon clears for basic content honestly they succeeded. The base content is there for the average or lower average players so honestly that is where your expectations should be and you can control your behaviors from there. Also if a player starts doing the you don’t pay sub bit they are every ounce of toxic as others. Get through the dungeon blacklist and move on. We are talking about people kicking people in base content instead of getting through it and blacklisting. This isn’t an all or none. There is toxicity across the spectrum. AnOther option is create a premade if you have to be optimal at all times. That solves the entire issue. SE purposefully set the bar low for base content and you will get players that are suboptimal and they have every right to be in that content as it is the level designed for them.

I am really liking the idea of extreme level 4 man dungeons so those that want more optimal play can go there. I know I would play those.