Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[reivaxe]

That's because the same ten or so people keep posting on this thread artificially inflating its post count. I can confidentially claim that at least one hundred posts are of meaningless fanart. And at least half of the rest are Senn or MrKimper being trolls.

Let's also not forget that all this self proclaimed "successful outrage" is next on invisible on the 25 paged thread about not just Male Viera but also Female Hrothgar on the JPN side of this forum where players are actually reasonable on this topic. Many other forums about this game seem to have grown tired of this topic as well.

(And lmao, these 2 posters are legit fulling up a page just talking to each other or replying to post back to back)

Also even if a beastial race was asked for it's been seen by racial data that big burly races just don't get played very often in this game.

Now first off I'm gonna say that I don't ever normally reply to post that delete everything someone says and replaces it with "Snip/ Snap/..." or w/e else that requires a reader to look up a post to know wtf you're talking about. It shows you're afraid to actually have a discussion IMO and would prefer to have a 1 sided dialog to get lil pats on the back from peeps who agree without reading both sides. So enjoy your one reply.

Anyway, the Roebros are the ONLY "burly" thing in this game right now. They are not the be all end all of buff races and are not exactly the most appealing body type given their shape and proportions. And Roebros numbers are not far from male elezens ... ya know, the race a possible Male Viera would be based on according to Yoshi.

If anything this shows why we need better buff body types options for males.

[Senn]

(And lmao, these 2 posters are legit fulling up a page just talking to each other or replying to post back to back)

It's almost like this is a forum.

I think very few people play elezen is because of their unappealing proportions. If they were to use the male elezen model as a base and altered it to fix the proportions for male viera, I would be all for that. For hrothgar, it seems like it is using a modified roegadyn base, and perhaps you are correct in saying there are people who would prefer the hrothgar body type. I'm glad people are getting this option.

[Kelryth]

Now first off I'm gonna say that I don't ever normally reply to post that delete everything someone says and replaces it with "Snip/ Snap/..." or w/e else that requires a reader to look up a post to know wtf you're talking about. It shows you're afraid to actually have a discussion IMO and would prefer to have a 1 sided dialog to get lil pats on the back from peeps who agree without reading both sides.

err no dude. Are you aware there is a character limit to posts? quotes of other forum users count towards the character limit. Also in the quote bubble you can click the blue square with the fast forward symbol to go directly to that particular post in the forums.

(And lmao, these 2 posters are legit fulling up a page just talking to each other or replying to post back to back)

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[MrKimper]

Let's also not forget that all this self proclaimed "successful outrage" is next on invisible on the 25 paged thread about not just Male Viera but also Female Hrothgar on the JPN side of this forum where players are actually reasonable on this topic. Many other forums about this game seem to have grown tired of this topic as well.

Word count my dude

Again my observation is based off of objective polling data nothing more nothing less, as you've stated in your "critique" of posters in support of male viera, anecdotal evidence such as. "I've SEEN the demand, I've READ the posts" as for male elezen, there's about a 4000 player difference, you could quite literally say the same thing for female viera not being added in but it's obvious the issue with Elezen is not it's body type but it's proportions, an issue that Roe doesn't really suffer from, as janky as some of it's animations are, proportional? yeah they're pretty much what you'd want from a "buff" race. Au ra pretty much covers the other spectrum being more broad and less lanky than the male elezen, the only other "buff" race we have to go on are highlanders which we can't see the data for based on that chart because of the fact that everything else is just "Hyur"

And again by that line of thought lalafell and miqo'te are the most played male race if we discount hyur again, there's more than about double the amount of people playing male miqo's than there are roe's. I'm simply again stating that you cannot cite something as OBJECTIVELY being more in demand than something else, when there is no real data to back up said assertion.

Yoshida wanted to meet the demand he felt for a beastly race as well the dev team feeling like it would add more to the races as a whole, Viera was added in due to how much the fans demanded them. Trying to use the demand for a beastly race as a way to downplay the desire for male viera is in my opinion an incorrect argument, especially when your justification is that MORE people OBJECTIVELY want a beastly buff race, when popular racial trends as well as previous official polls don't support this.

The veira lore has been in place since FFXII way back in 2008. Before that Male Veira literally didn't exist.

My entire issue with you Baki is that there is only one game where male viera has not "existed" and that was advance where we know for a fact the world is not truly ivalice but a fantasy made by Mewt, in all other games it can be inferred that Male viera DO exist as almost all further titles in the ivalice line take place in the timeline of XII as I've stated, which is before the cataclysm which whipped out the fairy tale races (Bangaa, Moogle, Viera).
Yes they have not been seen, and you can argue that this tradition should continue in respect of the lore but my issue is you stating that male viera LITERALLY did not exist in XII which is wrong.

[Kaedan]

He might have meant that male Viera didn't exist in FF12 in the fact that they never appear in the game... which is true. We only ever see female Viera.

[MrKimper]

He might have meant that male Viera didn't exist in FF12 in the fact that they never appear in the game... which is true. We only ever see female Viera.

I don't think there's a lot of ways you can misinterpret "LITERALLY DIDN'T EXIST" but sure, like I said in my post that's a fine argument to have, I can't objectively argue against that if you personally would rather the male's remain a mystery and I don't think that line of thinking is inherently less valid than people who want them to be seen.

[Beki_Bayaqad]

My entire issue with you Baki is that there is only one game where male viera has not "existed" and that was advance where we know for a fact the world is not truly ivalice but a fantasy made by Mewt, in all other games it can be inferred that Male viera DO exist as almost all further titles in the ivalice line take place in the timeline of XII as I've stated, which is before the cataclysm which whipped out the fairy tale races (Bangaa, Moogle, Viera).
Yes they have not been seen, and you can argue that this tradition should continue in respect of the lore but my issue is you stating that male viera LITERALLY did not exist in XII which is wrong.

Stop. I never said they didn't exist in XII. That was when they were mentioned. they didn't exist in the lore before XII is my meaning, you can Infer them existing all you want but they did not have a single mention before XII, as a collary they didn't physically exist in XII anyway, we even went into their Great Wood, which would have a been a wonderful time to have gotten a glimpse at the Wood Warders, but nope, just women all through.

[MrKimper]

Stop. I never said they didn't exist in XII. That was when they were mentioned. they didn't exist in the lore before XII is my meaning, you can Infer them existing all you want but they did not have a single mention before XII, as a collary they didn't physically exist in XII anyway, we even went into their Great Wood, which would have a been a wonderful time to have gotten a glimpse at the Wood Warders, but nope, just women all through.

There's literally only one game before XII where your statement holds up, Advance, which is LITERALLY not the real ivallice and Tactics had it's entire canon RETCONNED by XII's release. So again my issue is you claiming this is some iron clad lore that's been in place since the beginning. Everything else is just your personal opinion afterwards really.

[Senn]

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Are you talking about grimoire of the rift? I thought I read somewhere that the green mage viera in that game spoke of her father. Although whether her father was a male viera or a different race is unknown.
There was also a screenshot floating around where, on one particular mission, a female viera said she needed to go home back to her father. Whether her father is of another race or a male viera is also unknown.
I could be getting my games mixed up too, so don't take my word for it.

The most important thing, however, is that it has been confirmed there are male viera in FFXIV. https://i.redd.it/xp56327welr21.png
Claiming there were no male viera, and pointing at the older games, does not change the fact that male viera do exist in FFXIV.

Anyway, Beki, by your own admission, SE has updated their lore in the past

And before you *again* cite the Seeker of the Sun lore, it has been updated to include the fact males do adventure, it just adds they tend to lose their harems when they do (If they're a Nuhn).

I don't see any harm in updating the lore once again if SE decides to make male viera models. If the story progresses in such a way where more male viera decide to wander out of the wood, I don't see a problem with an organic change in lore like that. The story is constantly changing, and new conflicts arise. Also, as people mentioned before, the WoL is a character that breaks norms.

[WhiteArchmage]

Are you talking about grimoire of the rift? I thought I read somewhere that the green mage viera in that game spoke of her father. Although whether her father was a male viera or a different race is unknown.
There was also a screenshot floating around where, on one particular mission, a female viera said she needed to go home back to her father. Whether her father is of another race or a male viera is also unknown.
I could be getting my games mixed up too, so don't take my word for it.

I believe MrKimper is talking about the first Advance game, where the whole world is a "Dream Ivalice" created by Marche and co. Grimoire of the Rift is also known as A2 (not Actually Advance because it's on the DS instead of the GBA). There are a few holes in that game that are excused by the fact that...it's not the real Ivalice... which also makes me not understand Beki's point, I mean, Tactics is the first Ivalice game by release date, XII chronologically, and even they acknowledge male Viera existed in the lore of XII (I've mentioned before in this very thread that we only see a small part of Golmore, and the part we do see can be assumed to be under the control of Eruyt Village, thanks to the Lente's Tear item that Jote gives the party to traverse the Wood).

Which, again, has no bearing in XIV lore since these are not the Viera from XII.