Dear SE, I am a Healer

[Physic]

It may mean nothing to you, but there’s plenty of people out there that DO care about role. Otherwise dps wouldn’t be so much more popular in mmos compared to the other roles. You act like melee are the only ones who have things to watch out for in fights. Or the only ones with intricate rotations/positions. They’re not. Shoot you should watch a blm trying to squeeze out the most dmg it can. That’s a lot of prepositioning and mechanic memorization. Like I don’t get your point in bringing up melee specifically. Like that’s your thing, cool, but your point? It’s not uncommon for people to get sick of being on a boss’s bum all the time, and then swapping to a ranged to mix things up. I know I have in the past. And melee aren’t the only dps type that has unique mechanics, especially in higher tier content.

Not sure why you’re getting so heated. Not like I disagree with the subroles thing for dps. I’m not ignoring it or saying it doesn’t exist, I’m actually acknowledging it. However, I’m not wrong about dps. Dps are all of the same roles, same primary job, and the sub roles are just significant playstyle differences with labels. I dont know how else to type this out mate.

as i said in other posts, i think dps is popular because it is not tank or healer. Those jobs are more responsible for failure, whereas dps is generally a win more role. When you play rpgs without a required trinity, you tend to see what people really are interested in, and what they arent. Many people will always gravitate to fighters, or support, or casters, or rogues, or rangers. Its not split in 3 between people who like to get hit, like to hit, and like to help people recover.

healer and tank are required elements in a party, thats why they get their own category, not because they represent equal portions of what people want from a class/job.

[Fland]

Lol, you don't even make points anymore guy. Like I already said BRD is the better job in that same post, you just didn't quote it. A lot of my friends choose SPECIFIC dps because they want to play in SPECIFIC types of ways while DPSing. These types each will have 3-4 choices in 5.0. Because Yoshi said so.

Please don't be deliberately obtuse.
I made my point, you just ignore it.
People don't pick BRD for their group because of it's "sub-type". They don't pick BRD because the group specifically need to fill a "role" of physical range dps.
They pick BRD because it has amazing toolkits that has nothing to do with it being a physical ranged.
Also refresh/tactician has little to do on making BRD part of the meta.

[Paladinleeds]

So yeah, I don't care what you think anymore because your post is predicated on a false premise, that the devs do not subscribe to, and therefore you don't deserve anything. IF you get one in the 5.x series, which isn't likely, you should be grateful.

So what if SE decided to delete WHM, and make a promise to never release another healer ever again, as well as make sure all healer skills were useless. So only tanks and DPS got new goodies ever again. Would that make you happy? After all, we should be grateful we still have SCH and AST right? I've been watching this thread but with how these arguments have gone, time to see what you'd REALLY be happy with. I actually think at this point they should just delete WHM (my main), and make it so only tanks and DPS only get new goodies, as well as permanently banning any player with any healer at 70 (those who level it to 70 after it won't get banned). Seems like it's the only way we're going to quell this argument.

[Physic]

You aren't really making any points either, the things you are saying make little sense, but most people have given up bothering to reply.



This for example.

Just because you personally don't like a job, doesn't mean that job didn't exist as a choice within that role.

It's like being brought to a buffet and saying "There is no food!", because all the stuff there were things you didn't personally like. The food exists, you just choose not to eat it.




I said "within that role"

So, nice try....you really do ignore any fact that doesn't suit your narrative, sheesh.

in your buffet example, its like you had carbohydrates, vegetables and meats.

and then you are telling people who eat fish they should be happy whenever they add pork to the menu.

no, just because i want fried fish does not mean i want barbeque pork.

just because i want cake does not mean i am happy when they add rice to the menu.

i get it, a vegitarian may feel like all meats serve the same desire/purpose, that doesnt mean thats how the other customers see it. And if you own a restaraunt, you probably need more categories that dont fall neatly into 3 groups, because thats not how many customers choose what to eat.

[LadyKairi]

I'm not getting heated, I'm using caps for emphasis because people like you keep saying that if I want variety I can just go play another dps and since it's the same role I should be happy with it. Which is inaccurate. I'm using melee as an example, it's how you make a point in an argument, by giving an example of what you're trying to get across. I'm not saying any dps is more complicated or less complicated, I'm saying those reasons are why I choose to play melee over other jobs. Can people switch to other subtypes? Sure. But usually people stick to one type because that's the type of player they are. Kind of like how a tank can go dps, or a healer can go tank. And you are disagreeing, don't backtrack now. You minimized the idea of subtypes by stating that any dps can easily switch to another if they're bored and that's what I called you out on.

I’m not saying they HAVE to play a different dps job/sub role, I was saying IF THEY WANT TO there’s other playstyles. Dps don’t have to step out of dps to try different playstyles outside of their preferred one. There’s people who do it, I’m not saying people have to branch out lmfao. I’m just saying people don’t have to be stuck to just melee if they don’t want to. Now if your interest is only in melee your choices go down, sure, but the others are still options if people want to branch out and not have to take on healer/tank jobs. Which was my point for healers. We don’t have that option to branch out if we want to keep healing. That was my point. If you can’t comprehend that, then not my problem. Not gonna keep trying to get my point across when you’re just putting words in my mouth.


I just hope healer balance gets to a point when we can finally get new jobs. All I really care about. I’m hoping the new raid won’t feel like a chore in regards to healing. SE, please make the changes feel like a breath of fresh air -crosses fingers- Sorry for going a bit off topic, Miste.

[Physic]

Please don't be deliberately obtuse.
I made my point, you just ignore it.
People don't pick BRD for their group because of it's "sub-type". They don't pick BRD because the group specifically need to fill a "role" of physical range dps.
They pick BRD because it has amazing toolkits that has nothing to do with it being a physical ranged.
Also refresh/tactician has little to do on making BRD part of the meta.

they pick bard because it has very strong support that other classes benefit from, not because of its awesome dps. Which highlights that all dps dont actually serve the same purpose.

[LuciferNacht]

So what if SE decided to delete WHM, and make a promise to never release another healer ever again, as well as make sure all healer skills were useless. So only tanks and DPS got new goodies ever again. Would that make you happy? After all, we should be grateful we still have SCH and AST right? I've been watching this thread but with how these arguments have gone, time to see what you'd REALLY be happy with. I actually think at this point they should just delete WHM (my main), and make it so only tanks and DPS only get new goodies, as well as permanently banning any player with any healer at 70 (those who level it to 70 after it won't get banned). Seems like it's the only way we're going to quell this argument.

Posting on an alt since I hit the limit, I personally would be fine if they chose to do that as I don't play healer jobs. I don't think they ever will because that would be crazy and obviously a bad move. Giving ranged dps a third job wasn't crazy nor a bad move, so not sure what this hypothetical is about. I'm not saying the dev team is infallible, I'm saying players who think like me are on the side of the dev team on this one.

Please don't be deliberately obtuse.
I made my point, you just ignore it.
Also refresh/tactician has little to do on making BRD part of the meta.

Again, you had no point. You were nitpicking an argument by leaving out part of my quote. Tactician/refresh are the maaain reasons why people bring ranged dps. Groups specifically recruit for BRD atm because it's better, but many will settle for GOOD MCH because MCH also has those skills. If you don't see that, look at the ff14 recruitment reddit. The only other utility BRD has is the 2% crit, which is definitely useful but not nearly as useful as mana for starved healers.

I’m not saying they HAVE to play a different dps job/sub role, I was saying IF THEY WANT TO there’s other playstyles. Dps don’t have to step out of dps to try different playstyles outside of their preferred one. There’s people who do it, I’m not saying people have to branch out lmfao.

I... didn't say you said people HAVE to. But you did and still do minimize the difference between dps types. It doesn't matter if dps will still be dps, if you like a type of job it wouldn't be fun to play another type of job. And again, I agree that it would be cool for healers to get different types like melee healer (I thought this would be dancer too!) or like using a potion gun or w/e. That would be awesome.

[Sesera]

So what if SE decided to delete WHM, and make a promise to never release another healer ever again, as well as make sure all healer skills were useless. So only tanks and DPS got new goodies ever again. Would that make you happy? After all, we should be grateful we still have SCH and AST right? I've been watching this thread but with how these arguments have gone, time to see what you'd REALLY be happy with. I actually think at this point they should just delete WHM (my main), and make it so only tanks and DPS only get new goodies, as well as permanently banning any player with any healer at 70 (those who level it to 70 after it won't get banned). Seems like it's the only way we're going to quell this argument.

So the argument here is an hypothetic situation that never gonna happen.

[Physic]

So what if SE decided to delete WHM, and make a promise to never release another healer ever again, as well as make sure all healer skills were useless. So only tanks and DPS got new goodies ever again. Would that make you happy? After all, we should be grateful we still have SCH and AST right? I've been watching this thread but with how these arguments have gone, time to see what you'd REALLY be happy with. I actually think at this point they should just delete WHM (my main), and make it so only tanks and DPS only get new goodies, as well as permanently banning any player with any healer at 70 (those who level it to 70 after it won't get banned). Seems like it's the only way we're going to quell this argument.

how will that quell this argument, other than taking your prefered gameplay out of the game? Also his argument was never that healers shouldnt get new jobs, but rather that between rangers and healers, they both had similar rights to be considered for the job slot.

for myself as well, im not saying screw healers, i am saying job selection isnt going to come down to healers/tanks/dps equally split

[Paladinleeds]

Posting on an alt since I hit the limit, I personally would be fine if they chose to do that as I don't play healer jobs. I don't think they ever will because that would be crazy and obviously a bad move. Giving ranged dps a third job wasn't crazy nor a bad move, so not sure what this hypothetical is about. I'm not saying the dev team is infallible, I'm saying players who think like me are on the side of the dev team on this one.

But at this point, maybe it's the best thing that SE can actually do. After all, you said you'd be fine with it, so let's petition SE to do it. And the hypothetical is because you're saying we should be grateful for any scraps we get in a previous post. So I'm saying alright, well what if they took away things from healers (a job, and made sure to make the remaining healers absolute garbage). You've already said you'd be fine with it, so we know where you stand then.

So the argument here is an hypothetic situation that never gonna happen.

I actually tried to make it more than a hypothetical last night, after I got annoyed in a duty because I was playing bad. Said because I snapped, I should be permanently banned. Threw as much evidence as I could at the GMs to support my case too. After all, I have a healer at 70. If they banned me, that'd be one person in my hypothetical banned.

how will that quell this argument, other than taking your prefered gameplay out of the game? Also his argument was never that healers shouldnt get new jobs, but rather that between rangers and healers, they both had similar rights to be considered for the job slot.

for myself as well, im not saying screw healers, i am saying job selection isnt going to come down to healers/tanks/dps equally split

It'll quell the argument because all the healer mains (or those who even enjoy any healer) would be permanently banned from the game, thus removing them from the argument.