Dear SE, I am a Healer

[AxlStream]

It would be good for everyone, if SE can make the gap between good and bad players smaller, before the add a new healer.

Nooooo. Why would you ever say that? Healing is absurdly easy in the game already. Making it any easier would litterally kill my enjoyment as it would be harder to distinguish a remarkable healer from the rest.

[Andevom]

Why are they adding new jobs at all then? Let's just tell them to remove DNC and GUN then, no one should be upset...since it isn't stopping anyone from playing DPS or tanks, they still have the old options.

Sorry if that comes off snark, it isn't my intention, but I didn't know how else to point out how that kind of thinking just doesn't work.

I'd be perfectly fine in they didn't release new jobs in this expansion, since yes, I still get to play the jobs I've been playing. That's kind of my point.

Not every expansion needs a new job. Chains of Promathia, my personal favorite in FFXI, introduced zero new jobs and people still loved it.

[Fland]

And yeah, your idea of separating healers is ridiculous because healers largely play the same. The jobs that exist do not. If you don't see that, you're purposefully not looking at it. Who knows though, maybe that's how they'll change the job.

If we hypothetically have melee healers and physical ranged healers then no, they won't be played the same. Just like those sub-types of DPS.
If healers have 10 different jobs with physical and magical type, melee and range, then I bet you SE will divide them as well into sub-types just as DPS.

However, in the end they all will be filling a healer role in party, just like a DPS filling a DPS role in the party, no matter the sub-types.

[Miste]

I'd be perfectly fine in they didn't release new jobs in this expansion, since yes, I still get to play the jobs I've been playing. That's kind of my point.

You would be perfectly fine, but that doesn't mean everyone would be fine.

Hence why my opening post, the first sentence, says that it is my opinion on it and if you don't agree that is fine.

So your questions were kind of pointless to ask. I already explained what my problem was, so did a lot of others in the thread, and it is quite obvious I want new jobs for my role. You might not, but what does that have to do with me or my opinion on it?

No malice at all though, it is fine you took the time to reply, just you asked questions that the entire thread had already answered many times already. A lot of people like new jobs, sure there may be some like you who don't care but from my experience with MMOs over the years not caring about new jobs seems to be a minority opinion.

As for "not every expansion needs a new job", that is fine if you have that opinion, but I don't share it. My favourite thing about MMO expansions is new jobs and aesthetics, followed by new content/gameplay. It is just the things I personally like.

[Andevom]

You would be perfectly fine, but that doesn't mean everyone would be fine.

Hence why my opening post, the first sentence, says that it is my opinion on it and if you don't agree that is fine.

So your questions were kind of pointless to ask. I already explained what my problem was, so did a lot of others in the thread, and it is quite obvious I want new jobs for my role. You might not, but what does that have to do with me or my opinion on it?

My post wasn't directly in response to yours, it was a general question. It's one thing to say "I'm not happy that there's not another healer", and another to say that not releasing a new healer is somehow an affront to existing healers everywhere. I'm not saying anyone's opinion is invalid, it's just the way it's being presented confuses me. It'd make more sense if you were unhappy with the current healer jobs, and would like them to release a new one that was more suited to your liking.

[Sesera]

If we hypothetically have melee healers and physical ranged healers then no, they won't be played the same. Just like those sub-types of DPS.
If healers have 10 different jobs with physical and magical type, melee and range, then I bet you SE will divide them as well into sub-types just as DPS.

However, in the end they all will be filling a healer role in party, just like a DPS filling a DPS role in the party, no matter the sub-types.

Except there is no "melee" and "ranged physical" healer fantasy like there is one for the archer, the mage, the fighter, the healer, the protector.

And she said "healer" not "subrole healer" implying a melee/ranged healer still appeal to the healers which is not the case when we're talking about "DPS"

But hey what about magic melee dps and ranged tank?

See you can't just come up with weird subrole that make no sense whatsoever.


Also someone who doesn't like healing or tanking will not like it more if it is a melee one or a ranged one. However someone who doesn't like melee and caster might like ranged.

[Reiryuu]

Except there is no "melee" and "ranged physical" healer fantasy like there is one for the archer, the mage, the fighter, the healer, the protector.
And she said "healer" not "subrole healer" implying a melee/ranged healer still appeal to the healers which is not the case when we're talking about "DPS"

There's... not?
Here is a forum talking about some of people's favorite Melee healers and the pros/cons of some.
Here's another one.

At least you didn't say they didn't exist. I'd have to go full rant mode on you for that. I will grant you that physical ranged healers are a lot more rare, but they do exist. Ana from Overwatch is one. Then you have the night elf healer from Heroes of the Storm whose name begins with a T and I can't be bothered to look it up right now. Tired. And Lazy. And I already did it for some dude in the DPS forums who wanted to say that these types of healers "weren't a thing" and were "made up."

Oh right there was the spellslinger from Wild Star too. Probably more... but... tired... and lazy... =p

Oh... silly me. You know the chemist job people have been clamoring for on the forums here for like... ever? Gun... thrown potions... there's a ranged physical healer for you right there. And one people are fantasizing about right now.

But hey what about magic melee dps and ranged tank?

Sure? Why not? People were talking about making BLU a caster tank for a long time before we got it as a limited job. Though I would like to point out, just because a tank is melee doesn't mean it's "DPS." (I am assuming you mean DPS as in having high DPS as is usually how it's used in FFXIV at least. If I am falsely assuming that I apologize.) All 4 of the tanks currently are melee-- they bonk things on the head with short ranged weapons.

[Vaer]

My post wasn't directly in response to yours, it was a general question. It's one thing to say "I'm not happy that there's not another healer", and another to say that not releasing a new healer is somehow an affront to existing healers everywhere. I'm not saying anyone's opinion is invalid, it's just the way it's being presented confuses me. It'd make more sense if you were unhappy with the current healer jobs, and would like them to release a new one that was more suited to your liking.

What's weird about it? In the history of the game I've rarely seen "I hate all the <role> jobs, add a new one please." It's more like "I want Ninja, Samurai, Dark Knight, Dancer, Blue Mage, Red Mage, Geomancer, Chemist, Gunblade class etc. I think it would be cool." In this case it's I want a <healer>, it's been 4 years and will be 6 and I'm not buying the balance excuse you used last time to hand wave adding one. Can't be any simpler than that.

[Styopa]

WHM Main here (although now that I've 70d AST and SCH...I *might* be leaning AST just because it's less boring for most content)

While I can sympathize with the amount of time you've been banging your head about this, **PERSONALLY** I have fairly high hopes that what this presages is a fairly substantive rejiggering of the WHM particularly, and possibly all the healer jobs with an eye toward re-evaluating their specific role to play in group content. That would be the ideal reason they didn't add a new job, if they're going to rework the other 3.*

(Not to go off on a tangent, but...I'm a little shocked that there's so little information about the MP/TP smush. No, it doesn't directly affect healers that much, but the affect it has on everyone else....affects us greatly. No?)

*After all, we all know here that the healer is - aside from PotD, HoH, and other 'gang rush' content - literally the most important job in the game, right?

[Miste]

It'd make more sense if you were unhappy with the current healer jobs, and would like them to release a new one that was more suited to your liking.

I'm unhappy there is no new healer job, whether or not I like the other healers available has nothing to do with it. I still like getting new jobs in my favourite role to play just like a lot of other people do. Maybe they'll add something I love more than the ones we have now? How will I know unless I get something new to play?

I never described it as "an affront" so those are your words, not mine. I do feel 6+ years with no new healer job is just plain crazy though, it is an entire section of the trinity and this game's battle design is the trinity system.

Like I said before, imagine they added no new DPS jobs for 6 years and only added tanks and healers, a lot of people (even if you wouldn't) would be starting to get very confused and be questioning why and likely getting a bit upset.

I mean it isn't like I am being unreasonable and it is 6 months out of HW where we just got AST and I am demanding we get another job already. Healers have waited patiently for 4 years for a new job, we have also had a lot of balance issues that the FFXIV team doesn't seem to want to spend enough time on to fix it.

They don't have a good track record right now so their lack of explanation, attention, and care towards healers is starting to alarm some people.

It's not like we have not given them time, chances, and benefit of the doubt. I think a lot have. It is starting to boil over though and I don't think it is unreasonable that healers want a better ratio than 3:0, like I said even 3:1 I am okay with.