Dear SE, I am a Healer

[cicatriz313]

I don't get why people have to act so condescending and negative towards people they disagree with, which telling someone they are acting like a child literally is. People can and should speak their mind and state their reasons on why they agree or disagree with a particular viewpoint. The moment people start resorting to personal attacks, which calling someone childish or irrational is, your no longer discussing an issue but targeting a group to either discredit them or try and make them shut up.

Any constructive feedback discussion requires respect on all sides and if your going to call someone childish, your not being respectful.

On the actual topic at hand, while the recent Mr Happy interview hints that maybe we might be getting significant enough changes to see them finally make some inroads on the balance issues that have been a chronic problem for healers for most of FF14. I chronic problem, I might add, that Yoshi P openly stated existed. We will have to wait and see. If they can actually improve healing gameplay and balance in this game it will mollify a lot of my disappointment with going another cycle without any new healers.

One other thing I find curious. One of the main reasons people have been defending Dancer as a ranged DPS is that they qualify it as a unique sub category of dps while grouping healers and tanks together and historically the Devs seem to do this too so there is some justification. However, curiously, their way of dealing with tank balance seems to be to divide tanking jobs into OT and MT categories. Do you think then that tanks should be treated as two separate groups deserving of equal balance too and why or why not? Fundamentally if SE does do such a divide then the same logic saying that it was physical ranged dps's turn to balance out the jobs would suggest that both jobs next expansion should be tanks with one OT and one MT.

I am not saying that should happen but I think it is worth pointing out why some people see the logic for the justification people give for Dancer being a ranged dps as odd.

First of all, it is childish to repeatedly ignore explanations given simply because you don't agree with them, even though they're the official statements. That was my point. And it seems like I'm not the only one who thought so. I'm not going to go into the "let's be civil" stuff again because frankly, look around, it's not happening.

For the second point, if they indeed balance tanks differently as MT and OT as they say they will, yeah, they will probably add them in order of MT and OT separately. I honestly kind of doubt there will be too many new jobs, but logically it makes sense.

[Izanagi_Fiaresu]

I'd rather them fix healers before adding a new one.

[Meril]

The game needed a ranged slasher more than it needed a healer. It'd make sense if you thought about it.

[Dyvid]

I don't get why people have to act so condescending and negative towards people they disagree with, which telling someone they are acting like a child literally is. People can and should speak their mind and state their reasons on why they agree or disagree with a particular viewpoint. The moment people start resorting to personal attacks, which calling someone childish or irrational is, your no longer discussing an issue but targeting a group to either discredit them or try and make them shut up.

Any constructive feedback discussion requires respect on all sides and if your going to call someone childish, your not being respectful.

On the actual topic at hand, while the recent Mr Happy interview hints that maybe we might be getting significant enough changes to see them finally make some inroads on the balance issues that have been a chronic problem for healers for most of FF14. I chronic problem, I might add, that Yoshi P openly stated existed. We will have to wait and see. If they can actually improve healing gameplay and balance in this game it will mollify a lot of my disappointment with going another cycle without any new healers.

One other thing I find curious. One of the main reasons people have been defending Dancer as a ranged DPS is that they qualify it as a unique sub category of dps while grouping healers and tanks together and historically the Devs seem to do this too so there is some justification. However, curiously, their way of dealing with tank balance seems to be to divide tanking jobs into OT and MT categories. Do you think then that tanks should be treated as two separate groups deserving of equal balance too and why or why not? Fundamentally if SE does do such a divide then the same logic saying that it was physical ranged dps's turn to balance out the jobs would suggest that both jobs next expansion should be tanks with one OT and one MT.

I am not saying that should happen but I think it is worth pointing out why some people see the logic for the justification people give for Dancer being a ranged dps as odd.

So the biggest take away for me in that interview was Yoshi-P finally admitted that the concept of a Pure healer wasn't working, after holding stead fast to that idea even though players in 3.0 said it was hurting the healer community.

Now to answer you question in regards to Tanks MT/OT, it makes sense when you look at what a tanks main role is. They are there to hold aggro so in a trial, you only really need one tank to main and a secondary for adds or if the main dies. Tanks really don't hold aggro at the same time unless mechanics require so they really can't work in tandem that way. Healers on the other can both work in tandem with each other healing and buffing which is why SCH/AST are the dominate combo right now, and why WHM pure heal, no utility is hurting.

Physical Ranged DPS in 2.0 was BRD and consider a hybrid support/dps job that did lower dps but kept party up going with resource management and buff/debuff. MCH added a second one that pretty much played like 3.0 BRD but was completely changed from that role in 4.0 for better or worse. The key thing to remember in all this is DF queue times. SE is trying to keep them as low as possible and to do that they need as large of a pool as possible to pick from. For example, if the game had two MT slots and two OT tanks for a trial then you would need to wait on one of two jobs to fill that specific slot so if you had 3 DRK queued, in a normal setting it would add those two and start the trial but if DRK was slated to OT you would still have to wait for a MT to join the queue. Same goes for PRanged DPS, though the algorithm might favor them over other DPS, Duty Finder isn't going to specifically wait from them to join the queue so the matchmaker times are faster. I hope that makes sense?

[AlliciaCapulet]

First of all, it is childish to repeatedly ignore explanations given simply because you don't agree with them, even though they're the official statements. That was my point. And it seems like I'm not the only one who thought so. I'm not going to go into the "let's be civil" stuff again because frankly, look around, it's not happening.

First of all, it's extremly childish to repeatedly ignore the fact that some other person might not have the same opinion than you, and than the developper team, and keeping commenting the same things over and over again. People who are not happy with the situation should have right to tell how they do feel about it, and what is wrong according to them without having any toxics players commenting and calling them childish, because you think they are wrong and don't understand. We understand their arguments, but some people, like myself, just feels it's not a good explanation because it's illogical with the way they were doing things since always, and this just feels like a lame excuse because they didn't did the job they had to do on the last 2 years, when they said they needed SB to fix the healers, and added a 4th melee dps that is a non sense with their balancing logic they came with in the interview.

[AlliciaCapulet]

And now I really just hope that, since they admited they never been able to fix the healer correctly, that they will take the time and ressources needed to do it right so they can add a new healer job in 6.0, since it's clear this won't happens in the 5.x. They won't have any valid excuses to don't make an healer in 2 years.

[cicatriz313]

First of all, it's extremly childish to repeatedly ignore the fact that some other person might not have the same opinion than you, and than the developper team, and keeping commenting the same things over and over again. People who are not happy with the situation should have right to tell how they do feel about it, and what is wrong according to them without having any toxics players commenting and calling them childish, because you think they are wrong and don't understand. We understand their arguments, but some people, like myself, just feels it's not a good explanation because it's illogical with the way they were doing things since always, and this just feels like a lame excuse because they didn't did the job they had to do on the last 2 years, when they said they needed SB to fix the healers, and added a 4th melee dps that is a non sense with their balancing logic they came with in the interview.

Feel free to call me childish, although you're literally doing what you're calling "toxic" and saying is wrong. It's not about your opinion, it's objective truth that the game separates jobs that way and jobs that play similarly are clumped together like that. You refuse to admit it because it doesn't fit your complaint but it's true. I've never said don't voice your opinion, not sure where that is coming from. If anything you're the one telling me to stop voicing opinions. I get why healers are upset. I personally don't think it's relevant to bring up melee dps because I think it's clear that the motivations for 4.0 jobs were different, but you're free to disagree. It's funny that I have to keep reiterating points I've gotten past with others because people come back to this thread and bring it back up without reading the entire thread. Let me throw this point out, no matter who got a job this time someone was going to get shafted. Are you saying it should have been tanks? It should have been ranged support? It happened to you and that sucks, but it's not a lame excuse.

[Sesera]

First of all, it's extremly childish to repeatedly ignore the fact that some other person might not have the same opinion than you, and than the developper team, and keeping commenting the same things over and over again. People who are not happy with the situation should have right to tell how they do feel about it, and what is wrong according to them without having any toxics players commenting and calling them childish, because you think they are wrong and don't understand. We understand their arguments, but some people, like myself, just feels it's not a good explanation because it's illogical with the way they were doing things since always, and this just feels like a lame excuse because they didn't did the job they had to do on the last 2 years, when they said they needed SB to fix the healers, and added a 4th melee dps that is a non sense with their balancing logic they came with in the interview.

When Yoshida and the game itself tell you they're considering healer-tank-caster-ranged-melee as individual roles means we're talking about facts not opinion.
Just because obvious reasons caster, ranged and melee is considered DPS in group content doesn't mean you please a melee player by adding a caster.
And Yoshida himself said they hesitated between ranged and healer for ShB but the number of ranged in game and the poor healer balanced they decided to go for the ranged.

[Miste]

When Yoshida and the game itself tell you they're considering healer-tank-caster-ranged-melee as individual roles means we're talking about facts not opinion.

It's my opinion they shouldn't look at them as individual roles if it causes an entire section of the trinity to be ignored for 6 years and get no new jobs.

I'm not sure why certain people don't understand that you can have an opinion about a fact.

Like if I have to give an example for you guys to understand I can....like it is a fact that SE held the NA fanfest in Vegas, but I can have the opinion that I want them to hold it somewhere farther north and central so as a Canadian it wouldn't be such a long distance trip to attend it.

Just like it might be a fact they are separating dps into sub roles or individual roles, but I can have the opinion that they shouldn't be doing that if it causes healers to be ignored for 6 years.

[Physic]

It's my opinion they shouldn't look at them as individual roles if it causes an entire section of the trinity to be ignored for 6 years and get no new jobs.

I'm not sure why certain people don't understand that you can have an opinion about a fact.

Like if I have to give an example for you guys to understand I can....like it is a fact that SE held the NA fanfest in Vegas, but I can have the opinion that I want them to hold it somewhere farther north and central so as a Canadian it wouldn't be such a long distance trip to attend it.

Just like it might be a fact they are separating dps into sub roles or individual roles, but I can have the opinion that they shouldn't be doing that if it causes healers to be ignored for 6 years.

your opinion is, it sucks there hasnt been a new healer for a long time. but if they added healer, ranger archetype could have said the same thing that healers are saying, which is, i have not got a class that fits how i like to play for 6 years.


basically one of those classes was going to have to wait, he chose the one that only has 2 instead of 3.


you can also say you think healers are more important than ranged, and therefore should get it ahead of ranged, or that healers are more desired than ranged physical, but those are entirely different arguments than its unfair.


its not really unfair, but you could say, you personally believe it was a bad decision.