Dear SE, I am a Healer

[Miste]

If you think I don't make sense, I can't help you because you're just hoping for an echo chamber.

I am the one who wants an echo chamber?

When your first replies in my thread were these?

Not. Your. Blog.

This isn't feedback. Feedback is posting on one of the threads already talking about this that hey I want a healer too. This is a Tumblr post.

You were so offended by my post and opinions that your immediate replies were to mock it lol


So like....OK.

[LuciferNacht]

I am the one who wants an echo chamber?

When your first replies in my thread were these?





You were so offended by my post and opinions that your immediate replies were to mock it lol


So like....OK.

I wasn't offended by your post. I was stating that it was formulated like a tumblr post and it was one of MANY upset healer threads at the time. This one has proliferated though, so congrats. And I'm not sure what that has to do with you wanting an echo chamber. I'm guessing you're stating that I'm trying to kill healers being upset threads but no, I just like when certain topics such as these are consolidated because really, they're all the same points. No one in this thread has made any new points since your first post, nor any new points since the posts that were up before yours. If you noticed, I didn't reply to any other healers being upset threads because they didn't start out with "these are my feelings*".

But at this point, maybe it's the best thing that SE can actually do. After all, you said you'd be fine with it, so let's petition SE to do it. And the hypothetical is because you're saying we should be grateful for any scraps we get in a previous post. So I'm saying alright, well what if they took away things from healers (a job, and made sure to make the remaining healers absolute garbage). You've already said you'd be fine with it, so we know where you stand then.

Well, I didn't say you should be grateful for scraps. I said if they make a job in the 5.x series, which they tend not to do, you should be grateful. I imagine it will be more like "WOW Yoshi, 5 years still?! How dare you make us wait THAT long. Thanks for the non unique jobs!" But yeah, in my opinion they can do whatever they want with WHM, I have a feeling they wouldn't delete it or whatever, but they might end up changing it to where you as a WHM main might not like it anymore, and that would still be okay with me.

[Fland]

they pick bard because it has very strong support that other classes benefit from, not because of its awesome dps. Which highlights that all dps dont actually serve the same purpose.

If by support you mean refresh/tactician, then no, from my experiences most group that pick BRD does it not because of refresh/tactician.
If you mean BRD other toolkits which are its own, then it has nothing to do with physical range dps "role".
If having different toolkits means they fulfill different "role" in the party then each one of the jobs, including each of the healers and tanks, will have different "role".
Each melee then will have different "role" instead of just melee, then there is no use again on comparing 4 tanks, 3 healers, 10 DPS or 4 melees, 3 casters etc.

[LuciferNacht]

If by support you mean refresh/tactician, then no, from my experiences most group that pick BRD does it not because of refresh/tactician.
If you mean BRD other toolkits which are its own, then it has nothing to do with physical range dps "role".
If having different toolkits means they fulfill different "role" in the party then each one of the jobs, including each of the healers and tanks, will have different "role".
Each melee then will have different "role" instead of just melee, then there is no use again on comparing 4 tanks, 3 healers, 10 DPS or 4 melees, 3 casters etc.

Okay well if not for the role skills, from your experience which skills do people desire from choosing BRD? I'm honestly curious because my experiences are different.

[Paladinleeds]

Well, I didn't say you should be grateful for scraps. I said if they make a job in the 5.x series, which they tend not to do, you should be grateful. I imagine it will be more like "WOW Yoshi, 5 years still?! How dare you make us wait THAT long. Thanks for the non unique jobs!" But yeah, in my opinion they can do whatever they want with WHM, I have a feeling they wouldn't delete it or whatever, but they might end up changing it to where you as a WHM main might not like it anymore, and that would still be okay with me.

If they did release a new healer within the 5.x series (which is very unlikely due to past precedents, as NIN was a one-off, and BLU was limited), or even fixed up the healers so WHM's lack of successful identity (as brute force healing just doesn't cut it) was addressed, thus making them better balanced, I personally would be very grateful. Because with the latter they'll have finally balanced healers (which they said they were gonna do in 4.0). All we want is some recognition. Which you and I have already agreed on.

[LuciferNacht]

If they did release a new healer within the 5.x series (which is very unlikely due to past precedents, as NIN was a one-off, and BLU was limited), or even fixed up the healers so WHM's lack of successful identity (as brute force healing just doesn't cut it) was addressed, thus making them better balanced, I personally would be very grateful. Because with the latter they'll have finally balanced healers (which they said they were gonna do in 4.0). All we want is some recognition. Which you and I have already agreed on.

Yeah, and you've gotten that. Like Yoshi already stated he's aware that the current divide between shielding and "hots/pure healing" healers isn't working. I personally think they've realized this back in the 4.x series and have been working on it. The wording of the interview doesn't make it DEFINITIVE because he didn't say the changes are already done, but because they keep hyping up this big combat overhaul I feel like they've made progress in changing it.

As for them saying they wanna make WHM simpler and the thing they said about the other healer, comes across as them not getting what's wrong with the jobs. Now hey, come May when they do the next live letter, they may well surprise us, but us healers are very skeptical. And what if they don't balance it out and come next expansion they say "Sorry, we're still trying to balance healers, so no new healer job" thus meaning it'll be 8+ years without a new healer job. That's what we're worried about, their flimsy reasoning. Now it may be, he's just used a very poor choice of wording (or something got lost in translation), but right now we're not being inspired with confidence you know. I'd be happy with one or the other. Since we didn't get a new healer because we still need balancing out, the next best thing would be to get better balanced.

What did they say about another healer? All I saw was the WHM translation on reddit live, probably should try to find it on the stream but my Japanese is lackluster at best so I don't know if I would even be able to tell. I feel like making WHM easier would be hard to do which is why I think there was more to it than that lol. I feel that while WHM is obviously not up to par when it comes to speed-running, it's still very viable at its current implementation. So while I can see why healers don't believe the devs after they already said they would balance in 4.0, I think they did pretty good for the system they have in place to keep each healer viable. WHM even gets the spotlight in a lot of prog parties trying to clear week 1. I'm not saying they can't do better, I think it would be cool for every job to have a unique "thing" to them like cards for AST, but at least it's not as broken as like... WAR in 2.0.

[Paladinleeds]

Yeah, and you've gotten that. Like Yoshi already stated he's aware that the current divide between shielding and "hots/pure healing" healers isn't working. I personally think they've realized this back in the 4.x series and have been working on it. The wording of the interview doesn't make it DEFINITIVE because he didn't say the changes are already done, but because they keep hyping up this big combat overhaul I feel like they've made progress in changing it.

As for them saying they wanna make WHM simpler and the thing they said about the other healer, comes across as them not getting what's wrong with the jobs. Now hey, come May when they do the next live letter, they may well surprise us, but us healers are very skeptical. And what if they don't balance it out and come next expansion they say "Sorry, we're still trying to balance healers, so no new healer job" thus meaning it'll be 8+ years without a new healer job. That's what we're worried about, their flimsy reasoning. Now it may be, he's just used a very poor choice of wording (or something got lost in translation), but right now we're not being inspired with confidence you know. I'd be happy with one or the other. Since we didn't get a new healer because we still need balancing out, the next best thing would be to get better balanced.

[Sesera]

Okay well if not for the role skills, from your experience which skills do people desire from choosing BRD? I'm honestly curious because my experiences are different.

I don't have mch but Battle voice, Foe Requiem and in a lesser extent Nature's Minne/Troubador are really desirable skills from bards.

[LuciferNacht]

I don't have mch but Battle voice, Foe Requiem and in a lesser extent Nature's Minne/Troubador are really desirable skills from bards.

Ah truth. Battle voice is nice. I think dismantle/hyperdrive(?) would be the relevant buff skills on MCH, but MCH is also similar to the "selfish" type of dps in that it's less utility. I still think refresh is more important to a group than any of those, though. Like healers drain mp so fast in high end fights.

[FoxyAreku]

While no new healer is disappointing, as someone who has played healer since shortly into 2.0 and seeing what an imbalanced mess they've been for so long, I think it's good for the health of the game for them to focus on reworking the healers we have instead of adding something new to the mix to make it worse. Just my opinion.