Gender locked race?

[Alleo]

I can’t help but wonder what type of excuses Yoshi-p would use if genderlock happens though.

Well looking at the male bunny suit: "Most of our designers where uncomfortable doing it and all of our female designers had enough other stuff to do"

(Isnt it kinda sad that people on the FF14 team did not want to do the bunny suit for males...in a country where quite some males run around cute fashion..)

[Lacan]

I don't think he will need excuses. I feel like from a Japanese developer perspective it's like hey we are giving people who play females something and people who play males something, we're golden. I am sure the backlash wasn't even in their mind until recently when this thread went up and now it's probably way too late to do anything about it.

People in the east and west have been asking about male Viera since FF XII. He'd have to be aware of that interest and the backlash that would result from not giving us the males. The community has made it clear they don't like genderlocked things in general at this point too. They even caved and gave us that male bunny outfit. What makes you think he'd be so oblivious to the negative reaction bringing back genderlocked races would bring? That's why I'm holding out for fanfest; I find it hard to believe they'd make such a giant misstep again.


if they did though, they leave us no choice but to keep pestering them till they rectify it. :v if there is one thing the FF community is good at it is pestering their developers.

[cicatriz313]

People in the east and west have been asking about male Viera since FF XII. He'd have to be aware of that interest and the backlash that would result from not giving us the males. The community has made it clear they don't like genderlocked things in general at this point too. They even caved and gave us that male bunny outfit. What makes you think he'd be so oblivious to the negative reaction bringing back genderlocked races would bring? That's why I'm holding out for fanfest; I find it hard to believe they'd make such a giant misstep again.


if they did though, they leave us no choice but to keep pestering them till they rectify it. :v if there is one thing the FF community is good at it is pestering their developers.

We literally get gender locked outfits every time they add stuff to mog station. One outfit change that came from a huge amount of questions about it at multiple events does not signify a change in vision of the devs lol. Also them adding genders to 1.0 races could have been just something to add on the relaunch. Unless someone has an interview where Yoshi said "we added them because of people asking for no genderlock" or something to that effect, it's all speculation.

[Lacan]

We literally get gender locked outfits every time they add stuff to mog station. One outfit change that came from a huge amount of questions about it at multiple events does not signify a change in vision of the devs lol. Also them adding genders to 1.0 races could have been just something to add on the relaunch. Unless someone has an interview where Yoshi said "we added them because of people asking for no genderlock" or something to that effect, it's all speculation.

Why would they add genders to the 1.0 races if no one was asking for them? :v That doesn't make sense. Why would they make more work for themselves for no reason?


And it might not signify a change in vision for the developers, but it shows that they are aware of what the community wants. Because of that I find it hard to believe they'd have 0 idea the kind of backlash they'd get for bringing back genderlocked races. If they really are clueless then Yoshi must have a real short term memory. Cue the surprised Pikachu meme.

[Duskane]

We literally get gender locked outfits every time they add stuff to mog station. One outfit change that came from a huge amount of questions about it at multiple events does not signify a change in vision of the devs lol. Also them adding genders to 1.0 races could have been just something to add on the relaunch. Unless someone has an interview where Yoshi said "we added them because of people asking for no genderlock" or something to that effect, it's all speculation.

there is threads linked in this thread about people wanting male miqote,roe and hig lander females

[Gwenorai]

We literally get gender locked outfits every time they add stuff to mog station. One outfit change that came from a huge amount of questions about it at multiple events does not signify a change in vision of the devs lol. Also them adding genders to 1.0 races could have been just something to add on the relaunch. Unless someone has an interview where Yoshi said "we added them because of people asking for no genderlock" or something to that effect, it's all speculation.

Nah, he didn't say anything like that. The genderlock was removed from those races due to demands. The claim was he never knew they would be wanted; since they were in huge demand they were unlocked. I guess the argument could be said for Viera. They were in huge demand so we were finally given them. Hence why people know that the 'complain and pester' works, bunny suit and previous experience.

As for locked mog station outfits, I think there was a specific reason why they did this. It's the same reason why they're not dyable as well for the most part - something about staying true to the original characters who had them in the first place. The only ones who weren't slapped with that were the ones you got as a sub reward. Hairs are in the same kind of boat, and believe me I'd kill for braids on a male.

With Viera, it's not the idea that none of the designers want to do it. No, in all likelihood, the designers probably wanted to do a male more than Yoshida. Since Yoshida didn't want to show the art of them during one of the keynotes, it's obvious that he was overruled and thus had to show them. Hence we got the concept art for male Viera - or he's playing us and wanted to see folks reaction to the male concept art.

[cicatriz313]

I'm not asking for threads of people asking for stuff lol. Those exist for everything under the sun. I'm asking if he's ever actually said the reasoning the alternatives were added. So far we DO have an interview stating that he would be PRO genderlocking (aka the "male Viera would be weird we would add a diff race interview). If there isn't anything where he's stating he's AGAINST genderlocking, then like I said before, everyone is just speculating that he's changed. It might be completely obvious in your western mind that these are givens, but cultures are different and I feel like people aren't seeing things through the right lens. Japan itself is SUPER behind in these types of ideas. I honestly think it's likely that they think/thought that as long as each sex got something it was 100% kosher. So final reiteration, I get why people want both male and female Viera, but just because you want it doesn't mean that's what the devs are thinking.

Also to Lacan: completely missed my point. Of course they added them because people asked for them. Specifically those races. I was asking if Yoshi ever gave a stance on his view of locking genders. And I think we all know they've added stuff despite what the "community" wants. Aka Eureka, aka blue mage, aka most things because people are super negative lol.

[Lacan]

Also to Lacan: completely missed my point. Of course they added them because people asked for them. Specifically those races. I was asking if Yoshi ever gave a stance on his view of locking genders. And I think we all know they've added stuff despite what the "community" wants. Aka Eureka, aka blue mage, aka most things because people are super negative lol.

But that is the point... Yoshi never outright said his personal view on genderlocks, true, but the fact that he would listen to the community and remove the 1.0 genderlocks says something in itself. If he was able to realize that people didn't like those restrictions then, why would he go back and do the same exact thing for 5.0? I don't get where your logic "well, they're giving both the males and females something" comes from, since the 1.0 races had that same thing going for it. The girls had miqote and the guys had roegadyn exclusively. Highlander females were missing too, but I think that was a result of the game being rushed not an active design choice. We still ended up getting the males and females for miqote and roes though.

That's what I don't get. Why would Yoshi actively bring back a design choice that he knows people don't like?

[Gwenorai]

o: You would have to look at my point again regarding the male viera concept art that was shown after his talks regarding gender locking. He did state he found the concept art still being seen as 'too cute' but it was shown anyway. And of course, his wants for not showing the Viera concept art wasn't his dislike of the male Viera there - it was because he knew people would have wanted the Viera race then and there, and he liked what they already had with Aura.

I figure the fact the males were even part of the original concept art that it has been thought about. As for Japan being a difference in regards to wants. I've actually seen more male Viera art from Eastern artists than I have Western. You can look into the Japanese forum as well and see the threads there regarding Viera. I don't think it's just the 'west' complaining here - that's a jump to make.

[Lacan]

o: You would have to look at my point again regarding the male viera concept art that was shown after his talks regarding gender locking. He did state he found the concept art still being seen as 'too cute' but it was shown anyway. And of course, his wants for not showing the Viera concept art wasn't his dislike of the male Viera there - it was because he knew people would have wanted the Viera race then and there, and he liked what they already had with Aura.

I figure the fact the males were even part of the original concept art that it has been thought about. As for Japan being a difference in regards to wants. I've actually seen more male Viera art from Eastern artists than I have Western. You can look into the Japanese forum as well and see the threads there regarding Viera. I don't think it's just the 'west' complaining here - that's a jump to make.

Basically, the east and the west both want the man bunnies. :v That's why find it really hard to believe that Yoshi is completely oblivious to all this.