Gender locked race?

[Shougun]

His preference is clear as day. Ragging on people who want feminine bunnies is not a preference, however. This is especially so when you consider he was wanting to keep the playability limited based on lore, something the rest of the races already ignore anyways. I'm not saying he's homophobic, but you can certainly voice your concerns without bashing a certain group of people.

And yes, gay people can indeed be homophobic. It certainly does tend to be the masc4masc/bara leaning gay guys who insult anything remotely feminine. See: "I'm gay because I like guys not girls" which is an incredibly homophobic remark, which refers to feminine men as girls. As if there's anything wrong with behaving like a girl or that it makes you any less gay and a man.

I wasn't saying he was right or wrong to rag on (your words) people for their preference, I was just saying the word doesn't really meet the action. Referring to men who are feminine like they are women is not a fear of orientation, if anything it would be a reference to gender prejudice but that's a bit limp in that he could love women he just doesn't like to.. love them in that way . And I would really disagree that those two being separate is enough type of prejudice to garner the use of that gender based word (because if that's true then anyone who doesn't like everything is one).

Was not arguing he was being nice or not, was arguing the word seems to lose all meaning if it's used so loosely. Not a very useful word if it just basically means "said or did something that was construed as vaguely mean to someone who just happened to be a certain way". Then any and every action deemed negative must be a phobic action, which I don't agree with.

Sounds more like a dislike of feminine men than homophobia, as such.

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Also unless we can keep this about rabbits I'm thinking this should be our last row on the topic, at least for me - feels a bit straying (even if it started about feminine rabbits).

[Rokke]

The rabbits in the art aren't even particularly feminine so there was no reason for the thread to go this way anywho lol

[Lauront]

The rabbits in the art aren't even particularly feminine so there was no reason for the thread to go this way anywho lol

I'm not so secretly in favour of something like this:





It's not a far cry from the older concept art.

[Shougun]

I'm not so secretly in favour of something like this:





It's not a far cry from the older concept art.

Assuming the lion thing is real and we get both genders, I feel like something sort of like this would be true (at least one of the face options).

I mean can you imagine them making two whole races and make the male viera dimorphic on top of that?

SE: Hi yes, its so hard to make a race
Us: O-okay.. what can we expect?
SE: Two dimorphic races, so basically four races- yes. Please look forward to it.
O_O

I'll chip in a vote for male viera if they're not added in shadowbringers, even if I die in love with the lion race (hopefully it's a thing lol). In general its been pretty great fun to talk about even if I doubt I'd want to wear bunny ears myself (although if they had an option to lay them down like we've discussed 1,000 pages ago.. maybe I would haha).

[Rokke]

It's not a far cry from the older concept art.

While there are some that want the small varied for guys like an inverse Au Ra, for the most part fanart that followed the female confirmation has been close to the art you posted: tall & handsome without tilting too much to kawaii uguu or hyper masc. I LOVE that 1st artwork especially because it shows that they could totally have a matching starter outfit that highlights what makes a male body sexy without it being camp and/or an awkward copy of the female set.

interesting thing here if you can wade through the code of the French language scripts, you can see that the game is coded to recognize male AND female players of Viera and the leaked Hrothgar races. This could potentially mean that both races are getting both sexes.

While I don't really expect it at this point, I am hoping that is the case. If these are going to be our final races I'd like them to be complete packages.

[Roda]

Haha I had to re-read your name tag, I wasn't prepared for the third person XD. Since we heard "lion-like" close to "ronso" but not quite, I really wonder if that's like those pictures but "doesn't have a horn and is maybe not blue" lol.

Sorry, it's not something i usually do, meant it to kinda convey the intensity of me desires X_X
and I hope they keep the horn if they really do ronso! Maybe even give the females a smaller horn! I really like those kinds of sexual dimorphisms in fantasy races. (see the Charr in GW2, where the males have these huge, crazy horns and tusks, while females have smaller, more functional horns and fangs. suggesting that the males' features are more used for sexy display than any actual defense. It's subtle race lore that isn't just slapped on because it's stereotypical to the gender, but because the designers actually thought about it!)

While there are some that want the small varied for guys like an inverse Au Ra, for the most part fanart that followed the female confirmation has been close to the art you posted: tall & handsome without tilting too much to kawaii uguu or hyper masc. I LOVE that 1st artwork especially because it shows that they could totally have a matching starter outfit that highlights what makes a male body sexy without it being camp and/or an awkward copy of the female set.



While I don't really expect it at this point, I am hoping that is the case. If these are going to be our final races I'd like them to be complete packages.

If you look at the old concept art (the one i've posted probably like 4 times in this thread by now @@;;; ) you'll notice that they are actually shorter! Not as much as the Au Ra of course (because that height difference is hella weird and I hate it) but they're about a half a head shorter than the female in the picture.
#teamshortervieramalesbutstillhavethemtallenoughtobeleggytoughbois

[Shougun]

If you look at the old concept art (the one i've posted probably like 4 times in this thread by now @@;;; ) you'll notice that they are actually shorter! Not as much as the Au Ra of course (because that height difference is hella weird and I hate it) but they're about a half a head shorter than the female in the picture.
#teamshortervieramalesbutstillhavethemtallenoughtobeleggytoughbois

Obviously I don't know what would happen but if say they had a height slider that went short enough what that be good? In that way the males and females might have closer min/max but both reach up and down in larger variance than other races might.

Also I wonder if players can control their heel height too or if that's set in stone. Short, high heeled, bunnyfu lol.

Sorry, it's not something i usually do, meant it to kinda convey the intensity of me desires X_X
and I hope they keep the horn if they really do ronso! Maybe even give the females a smaller horn! I really like those kinds of sexual dimorphisms in fantasy races. (see the Charr in GW2, where the males have these huge, crazy horns and tusks, while females have smaller, more functional horns and fangs. suggesting that the males' features are more used for sexy display than any actual defense. It's subtle race lore that isn't just slapped on because it's stereotypical to the gender, but because the designers actually thought about it!)

No need to be sorry !! It just caught me off guard lol. I respect your intensity, and.. I also.. really.. want.. the horn.. like I think I'll be happy without it but the horn is pretty awesome. Also I'd get behind some sexy display horns - the chest area for males haha. Sir, do those give you a headache? Gotta max slider the horns, NPC Ronso will reference you with pity or reverence based on the size of your horns XD.

[Roda]

Obviously I don't know what would happen but if say they had a height slider that went short enough what that be good? In that way the males and females might have closer min/max but both reach up and down in larger variance than other races might.

Also I wonder if players can control their heel height too or if that's set in stone. Short, high heeled, bunnyfu lol.

Personally, I want the max of the female to be higher than the max of the males, and the min of the males to be shorter than the min of the females. By how much, I couldn't say without like actually getting my hands on some art. But if the sliders were set to identical heights, that would be... neutral for me, not something I'd really celebrate over, but I'd still accept without much more than mild disappointment at the lost potential.

As for heel height, that's... probably gonna be a big fat no. Not unless they rework the animation systems in-game to allow IK to be used for the limbs (which I really REALLY wish they would do, because it adds a lot of animation polish to the game and there are already a lot of animation errors that would be fixed by allowing IK to be used on the arms and legs)

[Daralii]

If you look at the old concept art (the one i've posted probably like 4 times in this thread by now @@;;; ) you'll notice that they are actually shorter! Not as much as the Au Ra of course (because that height difference is hella weird and I hate it) but they're about a half a head shorter than the female in the picture.
#teamshortervieramalesbutstillhavethemtallenoughtobeleggytoughbois

Male rabbits are smaller than female rabbits in real life. It would be appropriate.

Anyway, hrothgar being in the strings before viera is the note of potential interest, as it suggests they were being worked on(at least on some level) between au ra and viera. It's entirely possible that they've just been getting worked on as a side project for 4-5 years. That would easily allow for the artist time needed for two races with both genders. Hell, they could've been cut content for Stormblood.

[Rokke]

If you look at the old concept art (the one i've posted probably like 4 times in this thread by now @@;;; ) you'll notice that they are actually shorter! Not as much as the Au Ra of course (because that height difference is hella weird and I hate it) but they're about a half a head shorter than the female in the picture.
#teamshortervieramalesbutstillhavethemtallenoughtobeleggytoughbois

I think Fran came up to my max heigh male Au ra's nose, and he's 7'1"ish. We don't know if she's max, min, mid, or custom sized buuut going off her height, they'd still likely be plenty tall as far as playable races go.