Gender locked race?

[Rokke]

Bestial option that's less human looking but still within the realm of plausible as a player race option: Zero

Sounds like some actual diversity there.

The argument was that we have too many manly/cutesy archetypes. A beastly face on a lala body would deliver diversity. A lala face on a beastly body would also lol

[Lauront]

Raen aren't as 'wow rare!' as Viera/Male Miqo, but they are mentioned as making up only 10% of the population of Hingashi and Doma. So, still pretty damn uncommon. That doesn't stop a good portion of the player base from being pale lizert girls.

Not as uncommon as some people would like to believe, though.

[Shippuu]

The argument was that we have too many manly/cutesy archetypes. A beastly face on a lala body would deliver diversity. A lala face on a beastly body would also lol

Thank you for that horrible, horrible mental image of godless abominations of frankenfells.

[Shougun]

Myth: I'm gay and therefore can not be X.

Not liking a visual doesn't mean he doesn't like men :3. He could like men in only shades of violently pure purples all other presentations annoy him, this would not make him phobic it says he has a type (like most people of any orientation have). You may say it's a bit selfish to hope a visual type isn't present in the game because one doesn't like it but its not out of fear of someone's orientation that they hoped it wouldn't be in game. Its not who they are that's the issue its how they appear, like you can't say I have prejudice against comedies just because I refuse to watch a 4 hour one.. or even if I mocked it for the duration while I went to watch another comedy I love (comedy is not the issue, time was).

Basically if we use such words so loosely only those who have no preferences to anything at all would be clear of any powerful negative descriptions, giant walking blobs of tofu with no opinions for the win (tofu because of flavorless, not color lol). Anyway.. I think people use that word too lightly, like many other -isms and -ists. With the whole social media thing and the watering down of words, at least insults at each other, communication feels a bit meh some days. Just my opinion at least lol.

If you are indeed gay, it baffles me that you would shame someone for not conforming to the norm.

I think ideally one would not think themselves abnormal and thus it doesn't mean they would go out of the way to accept other abnormal things. If they're in a comfortable position or desiring one that seems normal then of course they accept what is normal to themselves and not look for non-conformists.. or in other words in my experience those who are different view of normal tend to shift their whole world view to that, what is abnormal or normal is not greater or smaller.. its just different. Like I see a lot of hate from some of communities that tout how abnormal they are and thus it must mean they're accepting, but it certainly confuses me that acceptance means wading into the group feels like you're an undesired outcast - so perhaps I'm abnormal and they're only accepting what's normal to them still. Restated, abnormal is abnormal and normal is normal, even for those you think are abnormal they have a normal .

This exact post nas suddenly made me lose all interest in discussion since I've realised everyone's getting incredibly spiteful and petty over what amounts to a height change and some different animations.
I'm waiting until Fanfest before I say anything else.

While I'm a bit excited I might get literally the race type I've been hoping for, I want you to know I'm not cheering for you not to have yours. Don't let it ruin your day mate . I agree though that we've ran on a lot of air already so we probably /have/ to wait till fanfest before we get anything more. Maybe when all comes out, we'll all be screaming hype . The whole recent french localization leak (bug really) was just some wild goof so we still need a lot more enough lol, we'll see though - maybe this is some master plan leak system for hype trickling. What's nice about unofficial leaks (like the lion/dancer bit was) is they're not bound to them, could even be testing responses to concepts they haven't decided on yet.

Another thought I just had, is JP is the worst place to announce a bestial race. JP loves their cute races more than NA and EU. Maybe they will be more polite in person and on the forums, but JP twitter/ 2ch is absolutely vicious. I cannot imagine it will go over well.

I can hold onto whatever little scraps I can to try to keep my sinking heart afloat. :C

Could be that they believe the eastern audience would be less vocal about a genderlock though. Imagine western response to "no male viera, but we have another race also genderlocked" vs eastern. We're already more rowdy crowd, on top of that the idea of genderlocking is more foreign to us. Just a thought though, not saying that's why (I have no idea what to actually expect from FanFest lol).

[Lauront]

I don't mean to veer to much into the whole gay thing, but whilst I'm not into the bara/bear stuff, I also find it vexing when being gay is frequently pushed as/conflated with being effeminate or flamboyant. I consider myself to be more on the masculine side, and I prefer guys along these lines too.

I quite like au ra and midlanders (and to an extent, highlanders, elezen and catmen, but less so) because I can design them to look masculine and attractive, without veering into the bearish or hyper-masculine category.

Also, what Shougun said.

Regarding this new race, I think the GLD quest text is certainly a stronger hint that they may be coming. If they're too bearish/bara, I'll probably not touch them and just sit out until Viera males are hopefully added. If they look like Byakko, though, I might consider playing one.

[Tsumdere]

Comparing Raen to Male Viera and Male Miqo'te in terms of lore, though, is disingenuous at best. There is a difference of they are spread out between two countries and thus make up a small part of them, and only 2 out of ten children are born male. Again I'm not against Male Viera being a thing at all, but comparing them to other things that aren't any where in the same universe as rare as them is a stretch. It should just be focused on the fact that the PC is /the/ WoL and the only cannon character which then justifies us being in lore the only Male Viera running around the world slaying primals.



Then based on that they went back and retconned the character generator as I doubt Hingashi counts as the deep valleys of Othard's mountainous eastern reaches.

I don't know why you are arguing with me if you... agree? It's an argument against people that are cherry picking to exclude male Viera because of lore, but ignoring all instances of rarity or low population elsewhere ranging all the way from WHM to Duskwight/Raen. Raen are still canonically low pop and disrupt these people who think that player characters reflect actual lore-based demographics.

It really DOES just boil down to we're the only person who matters in the context of the story, so we could be a Qiqirn or a Mamool Ja for all intents and purposes.

[Lauront]

On the topic of why people are taking "au ra" to be neutral in French, it's not so much "l'Ao ra" but "mon Ao ra" which is telling. All the other races are addressed as "ma" if the character is female.

However, I would not put much weight on this. If the game runs a separate check for inserting correctly gendered nouns etc., it doesn't really matter whether feminine articles/possessives are used or whether Au ra are, for whatever reason, treated as a neutral gender when the race is referred to. It sets no binding precedent on SE, either, to adopt it for future races.

Here's another tidbit:

Hrothgar, also rendered Hrōðgār, is an Old English form attested in Beowulf and Widsith, the earliest sources to mention the character. In non-English sources, the name appears in more or less corresponding Old Icelandic, Old Danish, and Latinized versions. He appears as Hróarr, Hroar, etc., in sagas and poetry, and as Ro or Roe in the Danish Latin chronicles. The form Hrōðgār is thought to have derived from the proto-Norse *Hrōþigaizaz[3] "famous spear", i.e. Roger. However, the corresponding Old Norse name Hróarr and its variations are not derived from *Hrōþigaizaz, but from the very close names *Hrōþiwarjaz "famous defender" or *Hrōþiharjaz "famous warrior". These two names, both appearing as Hróarr in Scandinavia, did not have any corresponding Old English form, and so Hrōðgār was their closest equivalent.[4]

From the fount of all knowledge itself. (/s)

[Rokke]

I quite like au ra and midlanders (and to an extent, highlanders, elezen and catmen, but less so) because I can design them to look masculine and attractive, without veering into the bearish or hyper-masculine category.
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Regarding this new race, I think the GLD quest text is certainly a stronger hint that they may be coming. If they're too bearish/bara, I'll probably not touch them and just sit out until Viera males are hopefully added. If they look like Byakko, though, I might consider playing one.

I'm in the same boat. Au Ra males are my favorite guys: muscular without being bulky, with faces that can be cute (face 1, 3), handsome (face 1, 2), or rougher (face 2, 4). While I would not mind a Byakko-inspired race at all, I'd imagine those wanting something more Ronso would be miffed. He's got a sexy body but his face is far from beastly.

Thank you for that horrible, horrible mental image of godless abominations of frankenfells.

[Shougun]

Here's another tidbit:



From the fount of all knowledge itself. (/s)

Hot diddle, relates to famous spear work too haha. Mountain, cold, spear, lion.

OI OI, GWEN, GWEN - What race does that sound like?

xD Shougun, it's not Ronso!

OH, RoooNNNsssssUUUOOOO!?!?!?!?!

Hahaha <3


I play of course, the fact it doesn't use the name like Viera means they're probably going to toy with the imagery a bit (iirc Ronso in French is still Ronso, so this race is new). But those references.. they just keep giving XD.

[Tabbs]

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His preference is clear as day. Ragging on people who want feminine bunnies is not a preference, however. This is especially so when you consider he was wanting to keep the playability limited based on lore, something the rest of the races already ignore anyways. I'm not saying he's homophobic, but you can certainly voice your concerns without bashing a certain group of people.

And yes, gay people can indeed be homophobic. It certainly does tend to be the masc4masc/bara leaning gay guys who insult anything remotely feminine. See: "I'm gay because I like guys not girls" which is an incredibly homophobic remark, which refers to feminine men as girls. As if there's anything wrong with behaving like a girl or that it makes you any less gay and a man.