Can we remove Tank Stance?

[whiskeybravo]

but you can use it for the shake of save CD's when you need it with is the point, and what short stacks? The one's on hello world? You can easily get close the boss and secure a inner beast if you want to.

Use what for shake? And no, the party has to adjust for tank to be in melee range, it's not just a matter of "if you want to". Don't see why you have such a problem accepting the fact that War is a bit gimped in o12s, I was getting told that before we even started progging the fight 3-4 months ago.

[shao32]

Use what for shake? And no, the party has to adjust for tank to be in melee range, it's not just a matter of "if you want to". Don't see why you have such a problem accepting the fact that War is a bit gimped in o12s, I was getting told that before we even started progging the fight 3-4 months ago.

I don't consider this is the place to discuss this, but we'll, as my experience with my co-tank with is WAR we don't see any of the problems you are saying in any part of the fight, there is a plenty time and space to land a inner beast if you need it, I don't see the whole party have to adjust on hello world unless you are doing some crazy positionating strat, I even revised some of the down vids and guides with WAR pov and in all of then they can reach the boss just fine, except when they have to place the huge aoe and that one don't do much damage.

[whiskeybravo]

I don't consider this is the place to discuss this, but we'll, as my experience with my co-tank with is WAR we don't see any of the problems you are saying in any part of the fight, there is a plenty time and space to land a inner beast if you need it, I don't see the whole party have to adjust on hello world unless you are doing some crazy positionating strat, I even revised some of the down vids and guides with WAR pov and in all of then they can reach the boss just fine, except when they have to place the huge aoe and that one don't do much damage.

Well, this is a discussion about tank stance, so..

Nope, just the standard unreal strat. If you learn it a different way then perhaps there is no adjustment needed, but the standard strat - yes, the party will have to adjust in some way so they don't get clipped by the aoe. But all that's beside the point. As I mentioned, the main factor is DRK and PLD do not have to switch to tank stance to mitigate it since they always have access to Sheltron or TBN. I'm also not discounting the possibility of a better CD rotation, but it seemed best to me to rotate vengeance and rampart on the scripted busters since they're consistently timed, and save defiance/IB for the random target busters. (defiance alone is *enough* to survive - with equilibrium to help get back up - but IB helps if you can). It's just a matter of not wanting to completely shaft my healers. But to each his own.

[shao32]

Well, this is a discussion about tank stance, so..

Nope, just the standard unreal strat. If you learn it a different way then perhaps there is no adjustment needed, but the standard strat - yes, the party will have to adjust in some way so they don't get clipped by the aoe. But all that's beside the point. As I mentioned, the main factor is DRK and PLD do not have to switch to tank stance to mitigate it since they always have access to Sheltron or TBN. I'm also not discounting the possibility of a better CD rotation, but it seemed best to me to rotate vengeance and rampart on the scripted busters since they're consistently timed, and save defiance/IB for the random target busters. (defiance alone is *enough* to survive - with equilibrium to help get back up - but IB helps if you can). It's just a matter of not wanting to completely shaft my healers. But to each his own.

well then is more a problem of you data center duty finder more that WAR problems against the fight, and as you say since you are punished by that strat and you can't reach the boss you lose nothing by switching to defiance a second since when you can hit the boss again you will have deliverance ready so you really have options, about the other is you own preference and its ok i don't say nothing against that but dosen't mean there are other ways more effective to dealt with it, you just have to adjust more but thats what we do all.

[whiskeybravo]

well then is more a problem of you data center duty finder more that WAR problems against the fight, and as you say since you are punished by that strat and you can't reach the boss you lose nothing by switching to defiance a second since when you can hit the boss again you will have deliverance ready so you really have options, about the other is you own preference and its ok i don't say nothing against that but dosen't mean there are other ways more effective to dealt with it, you just have to adjust more but thats what we do all.

Yea, we've cleared 5 times but still a bit sketchy imo so I play it safe more often than not. I suppose there is a 6-second window before short stack explodes so it may be possible to run in and back out before it explodes if I really wanted to get IB up.