SCH needs some nerfs

[Dzian]

I always thought act was the op healer.

Any time you see a group solo heal savage it's always an astrologiian that's doing it. Scholar just can't keep up.

[EaMett]

Noct is essentially pointless outside of encounters that you have down to a science like the linked o9s video from Mono Sama.

That's perfectly normal. If WHM weren't so shitty we would see way more WHM+AST combos. It just never happens because the rDPS gap between whm and sch is outrageous. There isn't a huge gap between noct AST and SCH. Just plenty of SCH to go around because the SCH/AST balance is relatively recent.

Also, people who think WHM will ever be on par with the other healers are going to be sorely disappointed. It's contrary to everything WHM stands for in the eyes of SE, they've made this incredibly clear over the past few years. WHM will always be the non meta healer (it takes very specific content to leverage it better than the other healers). CNJ is the only healer available at the start of the game, it's meant to be the forgiving healer for beginners and people who struggle with their controls. It's the one healer who's design is to have a moderate learning curve and early skill cap.

I suspect they will fix a bit of the potencies, maybe fix a bit of weaving issues WHM has in 4.5. Nothing game changing though. Then revamp in 5.0 so we get something roughly equivalent to where we were at 4.0.

[KDSilver]

That's perfectly normal. If WHM weren't so shitty

Whm really need adjustment indeed, but he's far from being "shitty".
And he's not the only "prob" in the WHM/AST comp.
Noct Ast hardly compete with Sch for that spot...

Lady of Crown is RNG, even if personnal shield is stronger, it's still breaks quickly, he has a "lack" of sustained heal/regen, CU is on a 90s.
He may have to use to benefic II or Helios while SCH could just pop Indom/whispering dawn/ let the fairy do with embrace/fey union
The Bole isn't really a reliable option. It's RNG, and any bole you'd keep on Spread would be a DPS card you could have instead.
Sch can just pop Fey Wind and Chain Stratagem, keep dpsing and rely on its strong hGCD.
The gap got smaller between Aspected Helios / Succor
Noct Ast has to make sacrifice (own dps/cards/your co-healer perf) while SCH synced better with regen healers.

[EaMett]

Please, whm in savage content at full potential is 1k rdps behind the other healers. That's a mindblowingly big gap. whm is shitty.
Also I don't understand why people are comparing healing kits in a game with hardly any healing. ast is going to be a lesser sch, that's a normal trade off. It's only relevant if it really lowers the noct ast's dps and even then it's still debatable.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Whm really need adjustment indeed, but he's far from being "shitty".

No, it's legitimately shitty. It doesn't have a single unique ability in it's entire toolkit.
Just let that sink in for a minute. Nothing a WHM brings to a raid can't be brought from another healer.
Obviously with that in mind you would think it does what it does very well. No, it really doesn't. At best it can spam Cure III. Go ahead and ask a raider when was the last time they casted Cure III more than once at a time.

It doesn't do the highest personal DPS.
It brings no utility.
It doesn't even heal for much more than other healers.
It's the clunkiest healer to play.
It's job mechanic, lilies, doesn't even benefit the job.

I can go on too. If this isn't shitty I don't know what is.

[Mansion]

Acting like there isn't a huge gap between AST and SCH is either disingenuous or ignorant. Diurnal AST has clears because the alternative is WHM but Noct is essentially pointless outside of encounters that you have down to a science like the linked o9s video from Mono Sama.

But in the context of AST noct and WHM, AST is still so much better in healing/DPS balance and raid utility, (and that would still be the case for WHM and diurnal AST if the fight allows no shielding).
I see your point though, you mean AST is good but SCH is even better, I kinda agree on that. But I'm repeating myself: that's because SCH is the closest to FFXIV's optimal healing gameplay, while WHM is far behind. I don't see it as a matter of overpower.

[Jollyy5]

I feel like this thread should be called: "WHM needs buffs", which it does with the completely useless Lily system having plagued them all Stormblood.

[Jinzhu]

No, it's legitimately shitty. It doesn't have a single unique ability in it's entire toolkit.
Just let that sink in for a minute. Nothing a WHM brings to a raid can't be brought from another healer.
Obviously with that in mind you would think it does what it does very well. No, it really doesn't. At best it can spam Cure III. Go ahead and ask a raider when was the last time they casted Cure III more than once at a time.

It doesn't do the highest personal DPS.
It brings no utility.
It doesn't even heal for much more than other healers.
It's the clunkiest healer to play.
It's job mechanic, lilies, doesn't even benefit the job.

I can go on too. If this isn't shitty I don't know what is.

Don't forget...

- The archaic design of being forced to stand in a small area for Asylum to actually benefit from it vs a one time hit for Collective which you can extend to 1.5x the amount of healing Asylum can do.

- Planery is pretty much worthless since you're forced to use it within 10 seconds of procing a confession which can disappear if you do more than one because someone got topped from a crit! With the current design even without the use of Planery you'd mostly likely get topped anyways. There's not many fights where this isn't true.

- Their whole design is based off of using GCD heals which you try to minimize in this game.

- Presence of Mind is a 150s CD basically misaligning it from EVERY BUFF in the game.

- Most of the time Assize isn't even worth being used on healing because of the amount of damage it does. It reaches almost 600 potency when used under synergized raid buffs.

- Outside of prog Thin Air is pretty useless as you never reach the point of dipping low on MP.

- Divine Benison is the only good skill they got in Stormblood that's useful in prog and farm.

[MoroMurasaki]

But in the context of AST noct and WHM, AST is still so much better in healing/DPS balance and raid utility, (and that would still be the case for WHM and diurnal AST if the fight allows no shielding).
I see your point though, you mean AST is good but SCH is even better, I kinda agree on that. But I'm repeating myself: that's because SCH is the closest to FFXIV's optimal healing gameplay, while WHM is far behind. I don't see it as a matter of overpower.

I suppose it's a matter of scale. If we take AST as being well balanced for current content (so 100%) I see WHM as being perhaps 70% (and only even that high because of their performance in Ultimate which really is admirable) and SCH being about 130% with the extent to which they can ignore virtually all GCD healing. Our choices are buffing WHM by an absolutely massive amount to reach SCH while also buffing AST in both sects or bringing the bottom up and the top down. I think the latter is the better option for the sake of the longevity of content.

[KDSilver]

No, it's legitimately shitty. It doesn't have a single unique ability in it's entire toolkit.

You have the right the be angry.
But... don't deform reality.

Devine Benison, Presence of Mind, Plenary indulgence, Assize, Thin Air are single unique ability.
While some needs a great rework because, it's sounds like good on the paper (plenary), that's still unique.

This isn't because WHM needs help that those skills suddenly vanished.
And no, this is not an argument to say "whm's fine", but because you say he has nothing exclusive... well it still does.