White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

[Tsalmaveth]

If they weren't "exclusive" to Legacy players, then I don't care. I'm hearing conflicting reports here, however, so... which is truth?

They are not part of the 'Legacy Player' content. They are not part of the Tattoo, Legacy Chocobo, Legacy Sub. These items were simply prizes that were won when players played content that only happened for a short window, about 3 months, at the very end of the content when the servers went down. It was not going to happen again because that version of the game was not going to happen again. Those servers, that CODE, is gone. THAT is the 'exclusive' aspect of it. In a nutshell. They are not going to 'redo' the Calamity. Those events... those fights... are not 'coming back' as they happened.

Now, for an 'Anniversary Celebration' they are going to give players a gift. And people are unhappy. I'm not even sorry that it does not bother me.

[InkstainedGwyn]

They are not part of the 'Legacy Player' content. They are not part of the Tattoo, Legacy Chocobo, Legacy Sub. These items were simply prizes that were won when players played content that only happened for a short window, about 3 months, at the very end of the content when the servers went down. It was not going to happen again because that version of the game was not going to happen again. Those servers, that CODE, is gone. THAT is the 'exclusive' aspect of it. In a nutshell. They are not going to 'redo' the Calamity. Those events... those fights... are not 'coming back' as they happened.

Now, for an 'Anniversary Celebration' they are going to give players a gift. And people are unhappy. I'm not even sorry that it does not bother me.

In that situation, yeah. It sounds like this is content that, should 1.0 have continued, people would be unsync'ing and group-farming now; the fact that they're bringing it back at all is a nice nod to the old stuff, imho. And it sounds more like another "I want to have something you can't have" complaint, which has never sat well with me.

As I said, I care about precedent, and all this does is suggest that they might be able to bring back older items that people like/miss/want back. Which, considering the fact that I've seen requests for old pieces of gear to be brought into the game, I see as being a good thing.

[Alacran]

I say this with all kindness, and also as someone who has the same items you do, so it’s not sour grapes on my part or anything:

You should seek validation from something better than unavailable items in a video game. Having your name in the credits is kind of a cool novelty (I know, mine’s there too) but playing a bad video game for a couple of months isn’t really an accomplishment, and if you let yourself get bent out of shape at the thought of other people having your legacy mark or Dalamud horn, (and I’m sorry to say that based on SE’s actions there IS a nonzero chance of that happening), then you may be in for an unfortunate surprise one of these Risings.

I am afraid you didn't quite get what i was saying here. It's not about validation, FFXIV was not just a "bad video game" to me. In my heart of hearts i knew SE would make it right, because of the importance of it being a numbered FF title. It was where my friends of over a decade would meet up with me again after we left FFXI. We still get goose bumps from hearing the FF series prologue to this day.

I still recall our small LS (of which i was leader) completing Living on a prayer, through the mire of what was then the Black Shroud. These memories are important to me as those people who are closer to me than some of my family members (my brother played then and still does, as does my son).

So no, it's not about validation from a game, it's about shared experience and the adventure that got us there.

[Amiral_Benson]

And it sounds more like another "I want to have something you can't have" complaint, which has never sat well with me.

The problem is not that, the problem is that those White Ravens were the only trophy for beating one of the two hardest fights of 1.0.
There was no title, no achievements, no timestamps. Only the White Ravens.
So, once everyone will get them for free, it will delete from the game the accomplishment of players who worked hard that summer to clear that fight, as it was requiring lots of resources, involvement and skill. You were asked to really step up your game.

It would be different if it was the same treatment done for the Ultimates, as for them there's an achievement with timestamps permanently written to your character page. It would not delete the accomplishment from the game.

That's why the best way to handle this situation, is to bring back the item, but with a different name, like a replica, that way everyone is happy.

Dzian, Corue or solracht explained it really well.

[InkstainedGwyn]

The problem is not that, the problem is that those White Ravens were the only trophy for beating one of the two hardest fights of 1.0.
There was no title, no achievements, no timestamps. Only the White Ravens.
So, once everyone will get them for free, it will delete from the game the accomplishment of players who worked hard that summer to clear that fight, as it was requiring lots of resources, involvement and skill. You were asked to really step up your game.

It would be different if it was the same treatment done for the Ultimates, as for them there's an achievement with timestamps permanently written to your character page. It would not delete the accomplishment from the game.

That's why the best way to handle this situation, is to bring back the item, but with a different name, like a replica, that way everyone is happy.

Corue or solracht explained it really well.

Sorry, still a differing of opinions here. 1.0 is gone. You wouldn't have that timestamp either if they'd just scrapped XIV and made it into XVI, a different game. These items were never intended to be exclusive; they became exclusive due to the fact that the fight was removed. I get that people feel strongly about it, I just don't agree. And on the same side, they can go back and add "replica" or whatever to the ones being given out during the event if they deem it necessary. I'm not desperate for some piece of 1.0 to have and hold and look back on.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Sorry, still a differing of opinions here. 1.0 is gone. You wouldn't have that timestamp either if they'd just scrapped XIV and made it into XVI, a different game. These items were never intended to be exclusive; they became exclusive due to the fact that the fight was removed. I get that people feel strongly about it, I just don't agree. And on the same side, they can go back and add "replica" or whatever to the ones being given out during the event if they deem it necessary. I'm not desperate for some piece of 1.0 to have and hold and look back on.

This isn't true, 1.0 titles and achievements are still in our achievement logs.

[InkstainedGwyn]

This isn't true, 1.0 titles and achievements are still in our achievement logs.

Then if the achievement and timestamp of people finishing that fight is what people care about, and not the exclusivity of having the item, maybe they should ask SE to retroactively reward an achievement for it, since it's being said that there isn't one?

[Tsalmaveth]

Then if the achievement and timestamp of people finishing that fight is what people care about, and not the exclusivity of having the item, maybe they should ask SE to retroactively reward an achievement for it, since it's being said that there isn't one?

That isn't really possible from what I understand. At least, I don't believe it will be. I'm not familiar at all with their code, but I don't think they're going to be able to go into the defunct code/servers and find any of that information. At the same time, I'm still just really nonplussed by all of the fuss.... but I've never been an achievement hunter, either, or the want/desire of lording something over others in the form of 'I have/did this and you can't/didn't, look at it'. Which honestly is all this sounds like at this point. Earrings. Small, barely seen... earrings.

[ko_]

See the thing is, the accomplishment of the fight was never diminished. You can unsync through coil or you can simply buy some of the replica glamour (note it's specifically a replica). The fights aren't worth much these days.
However you can't just stomp your way through the original Nael Deus Darnus. It's unavailable. Meaning the difficulty was as it was, and never got easier. So you can't just say "oh you did this terribly hard thing five youears ago, your trophy is worthless" when they did something few others did.

Yeah it's just an earring. But that earring was never the point of the fight. People didn't even know it existed before going into the fight. An NPC later on after winning slipped it into your inventory without a log notice. The silent nod for the accomplishment. Nobody fought for the earring. Making the earring all that much more special in the end.

Now what if it wasn't an earring? Ultimate fights you cannot unsync. Your ilvl is even synced down to what was the cap at the time of the fight. In five years from now if they start handing out UwU weapons to people during an event, that wouldn't be cool.
What if The Feast seasonal trophies were up for grabs with Wolf Marks down the line? Also not cool. The fact the White Ravens are earrings doesn't change what's happening here.

The only difference being in your example it's still in the game. The fight from 1.0 is dead and isn't in any of the game anymore so you kindof can't compare the two.

[Amiral_Benson]

Sorry, still a differing of opinions here. 1.0 is gone. You wouldn't have that timestamp either if they'd just scrapped XIV and made it into XVI, a different game. These items were never intended to be exclusive; they became exclusive due to the fact that the fight was removed.

That's not true, 1.0 accomplishments are still inside the current game, in the achievements page, it even count points toward the total, and they are also available to public through the character Lodestone page.
The root of the problem here, is that there was none for beating Rivenroad (Hard), the trophy was the White Ravens.
That's why it's setting up a questionable precedent, giving up an accomplishment for free and then selling it a year later on Mog Station, while there's way to handle this situation more fairly by making them a replica.

And again, the exclusivity is not the question here, but just to not let you spread false informations:

Q: Do you have any plans to give a special item to players who continue to pay the subscription from now until 2.0?
A: First, you'll be able to enjoy and participate in the Seventh Umbral Era event. There'll be achievements related to that which won't be available later. There'll be achievement rewards, battles with the Garlean Empire, and other items that will be exclusive to that period.