White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

[InkstainedGwyn]

I'm not a legacy player and I don't care theoretically about things being limited. I've helped all of my FC mates go back and get their ponies and birds and will help in the future with wolves and savage mounts like the alte roite.

What I do care about is precedent.

If you pre-ordered ARR to get the Cait Sith minion which was advertised as the exclusive way of getting that reward, and SE came back after 5 years and said "well, we're selling the minion now for $10 on the mog station", that's kind of terrible. For everybody saying "who cares, it's just a pair of earrings" - now that they've given the earrings out, who says they won't put the legacy tattoo up on the mog station?

It's a slippery slope argument, and in the end, I don't think it's a massive red flag. I know we already can't trust 50% of what SE (or any business, bc business) says. They've already crossed lines with the moogle outfit, and I feel like it's already a sinking ship. But this is the reason I understand why people are upset. Edit: Since this is content that wasn't "guaranteed exclusive", it was just removed from the game... then I feel like this is yet another exclusivity grab. (Still leaving the rest of the post since that's my feelings about exclusive vs. breaking guarantees.)

I don't care about the exclusivity. I just want SE to honour its promises.

[Rita1989]

I'm not a legacy player and I don't care theoretically about things being limited. I've helped all of my FC mates go back and get their ponies and birds and will help in the future with wolves and savage mounts like the alte roite.

What I do care about is precedent.

If you pre-ordered ARR to get the Cait Sith minion which was advertised as the exclusive way of getting that reward, and SE came back after 5 years and said "well, we're selling the minion now for $10 on the mog station", that's kind of terrible. For everybody saying "who cares, it's just a pair of earrings" - now that they've given the earrings out, who says they won't put the legacy tattoo up on the mog station?

It's a slippery slope argument, and in the end, I don't think it's a massive red flag. I know we already can't trust 50% of what SE (or any business, bc business) says. They've already crossed lines with the moogle outfit, and I feel like it's already a sinking ship. But this is the reason I understand why people are upset.

I don't care about the exclusivity. I just want SE to honour its promises.

Comparing apples to oranges

SE never stated those earring's were exclusive legacy perks like the mount, tatoo and reduced sub but rather they became exclusive because 1.0 was so bad the content didn't exist anymore.

[InkstainedGwyn]

Comparing apples to oranges

SE never stated those earring's were exclusive legacy perks like the mount, tatoo and reduced sub but rather they became exclusive because 1.0 was so bad the content didn't exist anymore.

If they weren't "exclusive" to Legacy players, then I don't care. I'm hearing conflicting reports here, however, so... which is truth?

[Tsalmaveth]

If they weren't "exclusive" to Legacy players, then I don't care. I'm hearing conflicting reports here, however, so... which is truth?

They are not part of the 'Legacy Player' content. They are not part of the Tattoo, Legacy Chocobo, Legacy Sub. These items were simply prizes that were won when players played content that only happened for a short window, about 3 months, at the very end of the content when the servers went down. It was not going to happen again because that version of the game was not going to happen again. Those servers, that CODE, is gone. THAT is the 'exclusive' aspect of it. In a nutshell. They are not going to 'redo' the Calamity. Those events... those fights... are not 'coming back' as they happened.

Now, for an 'Anniversary Celebration' they are going to give players a gift. And people are unhappy. I'm not even sorry that it does not bother me.

[InkstainedGwyn]

They are not part of the 'Legacy Player' content. They are not part of the Tattoo, Legacy Chocobo, Legacy Sub. These items were simply prizes that were won when players played content that only happened for a short window, about 3 months, at the very end of the content when the servers went down. It was not going to happen again because that version of the game was not going to happen again. Those servers, that CODE, is gone. THAT is the 'exclusive' aspect of it. In a nutshell. They are not going to 'redo' the Calamity. Those events... those fights... are not 'coming back' as they happened.

Now, for an 'Anniversary Celebration' they are going to give players a gift. And people are unhappy. I'm not even sorry that it does not bother me.

In that situation, yeah. It sounds like this is content that, should 1.0 have continued, people would be unsync'ing and group-farming now; the fact that they're bringing it back at all is a nice nod to the old stuff, imho. And it sounds more like another "I want to have something you can't have" complaint, which has never sat well with me.

As I said, I care about precedent, and all this does is suggest that they might be able to bring back older items that people like/miss/want back. Which, considering the fact that I've seen requests for old pieces of gear to be brought into the game, I see as being a good thing.

[Sigma-Astra]

Had it not been for this event, I would have never known that these things existed in the first place honestly because I'm not a 1.0 player. I can understand both sides of the playing field: the ones that want their virtual achievements and exclusivity to stay where they are vs. the others who think it's fine and that they had their limelight for 5+ years and it's time to let things go.

No one can take your own personal achievements away from you and if you earned those earrings because you wanted to prove something to yourself, that's fine, you go get 'em. But, for the ones that merely wanted those earrings to lord it over others? How does that work out when a good portion of the playerbase back then and the new ones coming into the game as of now had no clue that they existed in the first place? How can you lord an achievement over others when no one remembered or knew it existed in the first place?

I mean, I won first place in a state-wide art show when I was in 5th grade. There's literally no point in bringing or lording that achievement over others when no one even remembers or knew that it happened several years ago.

An achievement should be for yourself, not because you want something to brag about and hang above other people's heads that you're someone better than they are.

The 1.0 people who have the earrings can honestly say that they beat an exceptionally hard fight during those times and be proud of that. No one can take that self pride away from you ever. No one.

The people with the earrings now can only say that they did a 15 minute event of pressing [X] over and over. Myself included probably if I feel like actually doing the event that is.

[Canadane]

The 1.0 people who have the earrings can honestly say that they beat an exceptionally hard fight during those times and be proud of that. No one can take that self pride away from you ever. No one.

The people with the earrings now can only say that they did a 15 minute event of pressing [X] over and over. Myself included probably if I feel like actually doing the event that is.

The thing is, people could lie and say they've done the fight and how could you tell?
So while self-pride may be there, your trophy in the end showcasing your achievement is now entirely worthless.

[Sigma-Astra]

The thing is, people could lie and say they've done the fight and how could you tell?
So while self-pride may be there, your trophy in the end showcasing your achievement is now entirely worthless.

It's only worthless if you deem it worthless yourself and that it has no value. The same thing can be said for time as well. In order for something to lose credibility or value to you, you have to let it first.

If you let the idea of other people having the earrings bother you and then make yourself believe that all of the time you spent in 1.0 was for nothing because of that statement, then...did those earrings ever really have as much stock and value as you claimed it did in the first place if you can just drop their value from 100 to 0 in an instant?

[Canadane]

It's only worthless if you deem it worthless yourself and that it has no value. The same thing can be said for time as well. In order for something to lose credibility or value to you, you have to let it first.

If you let the idea of other people having the earrings bother you and then make yourself believe that all of the time you spent in 1.0 was for nothing, then...did it ever really have as much stock and value as you claimed it did in the first place?

I don't even own the earrings my friend.
But the post above mine regarding the Airman's Coin is exactly what people are trying to say.

[Sigma-Astra]

I don't even own the earrings my friend.
But the post above mine regarding the Airman's Coin is exactly what people are trying to say.

Well, I'm just speaking in general terms, honestly. Regarding the Airman's Coin, it's a legitimate argument, and there are parts of it that I do agree with. I'm just part of the people who also doesn't allow, the concept at least, of others to somehow invalidate the work that I've done towards something simply because I took the harder road than they did.

Like for Ixion for example, I camped him upon SB's first release when it was harder and much more crazy to get the gold medals that dropped more tokens between the severe lag and overload on the instance servers...I camped him to insane hours too because I wanted the mount so badly. Now, it's much easier to get Ixion than before since they upped the amount of horns that drop when you get gold, silver, or bronze.

The people who get Ixion now, who brag about it in the Reach of how they farmed him for a week straight as of this patch? They will never be able to invalidate the amount of work and sanity I put into getting that mount. Ever. They'll never invalidate the month or so it took me to get him.

Because I simply won't let them, that's why.