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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogatum View Post
    The past is what will help mitigate issues in the future until we can find a solution that removes the problem completely. Why must it be one or the other?
    Again, I think you're an intelligent enough person. However, I don't think you are stating what I'm getting at. The past is not mitigating the future when there is a problem now. Again, how is telling a pregnant woman who needs help now for example, "don't get pregnant" It's basically hand washing. I'm asking you again what steps now can you think of instead of clamoring to the that excuse that we can do to help victims now. We just ignore it and cling to a past excuse?

    Let's put this in another way using this comparison on how this dialog with you at its current state is frustrating.

    Two people are renting a place, turns out one of them is a bit short on rent.

    Person A: I'm going to come up a little short on rent this month.

    Person B: What? Why didn't you save enough to make sure this didn't happen.

    Person A: I know, but right now can you help me come up with ideas on what I can do for this month

    Person B: Well you should save enough money to make sure it doesn't happen.

    Person A: Well, what is it that we can do now to make sure rent is paid off now?

    Person B: Well to mitigate this problem you should have saved enough money to make sure this doesn't happen again.

    Person A: Yeah okay, but again what can we do about paying rent now?

    Person B: Why is it wrong for me to tell you that you should have saved money so you could have paid off rent this month.

    Person A: Look, I'm asking what can we do about NOW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QT_Melon View Post
    Again, I think you're an intelligent enough person. However, I don't think you are stating what I'm getting at. The past is not mitigating the future when there is a problem now. Again, how is telling a pregnant woman who needs help now for example, "don't get pregnant" It's basically hand washing. I'm asking you again what steps now can you think of instead of clamoring to the that excuse that we can do to help victims now. We just ignore it and cling to a past excuse?
    I mean I already stated that we should educate people on such issues, but that in itself will not solve the issue since we cannot control the actions of others, so educate people of the risks of certain actions and interactions have while informing them of agencies and programs they can to obtain help. Most that education will come from experience in the past from others. What else can we do outside of do our pest to educate and make people aware of the risks? I mean unless you are saying we should change how the law handles these issues and make it so people are guilty until proven innocent since that would provide an immediate consequence, which is something I do not think many would agree with since laws should never work that way.

    Educating people before the issue happens, and informing that there are places one can go to try and obtain help regarding the issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by QT_Melon View Post

    Let's put this in another way using this comparison on how this dialog with you at its current state is frustrating.

    Two people are renting a place, turns out one of them is a bit short on rent.

    Person A: I'm going to come up a little short on rent this month.

    Person B: What? Why didn't you save enough to make sure this didn't happen.

    Person A: I know, but right now can you help me come up with ideas on what I can do for this month

    Person B: Well you should save enough money to make sure it doesn't happen.

    Person A: Well, what is it that we can do now to make sure rent is paid off now?

    Person B: Well to mitigate this problem you should have saved enough money to make sure this doesn't happen again.

    Person A: Yeah okay, but again what can we do about paying rent now?

    Person B: Why is it wrong for me to tell you that you should have saved money so you could have paid off rent this month.

    Person A: Look, I'm asking what can we do about NOW.
    In this example the person could look up an agency that was created to offer some assistance to help with the situation, and normally that assistance will also come with tips to help avoid being found in such a situation again. I am sure much can be done to improve the agencies that are designed to tackle such issues but once again as I mentioned it still comes down to the person doing their part to seek the help. I mean I did mention people should seek out help when they need it, but until things change people should also do what they can to protect themselves. I am saying we should do both, that is the main reason why I am confused, it seems as if you feel I think it should be one or the other.
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    Last edited by Rogatum; 06-30-2018 at 04:24 PM.