Sexual harassment

[Rogatum]

Again, I think you're an intelligent enough person. However, I don't think you are stating what I'm getting at. The past is not mitigating the future when there is a problem now. Again, how is telling a pregnant woman who needs help now for example, "don't get pregnant" It's basically hand washing. I'm asking you again what steps now can you think of instead of clamoring to the that excuse that we can do to help victims now. We just ignore it and cling to a past excuse?

I mean I already stated that we should educate people on such issues, but that in itself will not solve the issue since we cannot control the actions of others, so educate people of the risks of certain actions and interactions have while informing them of agencies and programs they can to obtain help. Most that education will come from experience in the past from others. What else can we do outside of do our pest to educate and make people aware of the risks? I mean unless you are saying we should change how the law handles these issues and make it so people are guilty until proven innocent since that would provide an immediate consequence, which is something I do not think many would agree with since laws should never work that way.

Educating people before the issue happens, and informing that there are places one can go to try and obtain help regarding the issue.

Let's put this in another way using this comparison on how this dialog with you at its current state is frustrating.

Two people are renting a place, turns out one of them is a bit short on rent.

Person A: I'm going to come up a little short on rent this month.

Person B: What? Why didn't you save enough to make sure this didn't happen.

Person A: I know, but right now can you help me come up with ideas on what I can do for this month

Person B: Well you should save enough money to make sure it doesn't happen.

Person A: Well, what is it that we can do now to make sure rent is paid off now?

Person B: Well to mitigate this problem you should have saved enough money to make sure this doesn't happen again.

Person A: Yeah okay, but again what can we do about paying rent now?

Person B: Why is it wrong for me to tell you that you should have saved money so you could have paid off rent this month.

Person A: Look, I'm asking what can we do about NOW.

In this example the person could look up an agency that was created to offer some assistance to help with the situation, and normally that assistance will also come with tips to help avoid being found in such a situation again. I am sure much can be done to improve the agencies that are designed to tackle such issues but once again as I mentioned it still comes down to the person doing their part to seek the help. I mean I did mention people should seek out help when they need it, but until things change people should also do what they can to protect themselves. I am saying we should do both, that is the main reason why I am confused, it seems as if you feel I think it should be one or the other.

[Alleo]

One other thing to also mention is a recent post where the guy being accused threw a curveball and accused the group of posting a cropped screenshot taken out of context. It wouldn't have mattered if the group didn't respond to that accusation, but alas, they did. While it doesn't seem like much, the problem here is that the group has been proven to be willing to post a cropped screenshot that had been taken out of context. This does bring into question on the credibility on all of their other screenshot evidence - whether or not any of the other screenshots that they had posted had also been heavily cropped and taken out of context too.

That guy told one magazine that he could prove that he is innocent and that those are all lies but does not feel like he wants to...why? If those would truly be lies I would prove my innocence because otherwise your whole reputation could be gone. So for me that feels more like he has nothing on his hand but wanted to say something anyway. He also posted a discord screenshot but marked all the sentences that are not his with black markers. Why? How is that in any kind of form better evidence and not some form of manipulation? Also we had a chat screenshot where one of the victims talked to the other friend that wanted them to go back and they never denied that the guy would try to blackmail them.

Heck even the guy itself posted to one of his newest "lovers" that its all a game for him with the other females and that she is the one and only..

I am really sorry but the evidence does not look really good for him.

[Lilseph]

If those would truly be lies I would prove my innocent because otherwise your whole reputation could be gone.

Not to defend him, but when you put things into perspective, his reputation immediately hit rock bottom the moment the allegations started to surface. At that point, he really can’t refute the allegations because a lot of the community didn't trust his word from the get-go. Just look at the Reddit threads and see how many posts denounced him as human scum before he could get a single word in. Tell me, would you have extended the same courtesy that you gave to the group of believing every single word they said to the guy being accused had he refuted the claims much earlier?

Why? How is that in any kind of form better evidence and not some form of manipulation?

It’s one of the only few pieces of evidence that both sides have presented that remained consistent with each other. All other forms of information are very one-sided and are circumstantial regardless of who gave the statement. Evidence that both the guy being accused and the group having “blackmail” material came from chats of other people, not the guy or group respectively. Again, it doesn’t make the guy being accused innocent, but it does paint a bad picture of the victims.

Edit: For clarification, I agree that the guy being accused should be punished for this kind of behaviour regardless of the outcome. However, we as a community need to treat this situation with utmost case so as not to repeat a similar situation with the false allegations and defamation of a content creator over on another game’s subreddit.

[QT_Melon]

That guy told one magazine that he could prove that he is innocent and that those are all lies but does not feel like he wants to...why?
Heck even the guy itself posted to one of his newest "lovers" that its all a game for him with the other females and that she is the one and only..

He actually posted more than that recently - might want to look at his twitter where he pinned his blog. I didn't want to originally post the info because he was using their real names, looking like an attempt to dox them, or have them doxxed.

Like I said in earlier posts, he still doesn't refute the other allegations where he'd keep women around by threatening self harm. Or the fact he'd become verbally abusive if the women interacted with other men - or people he didn't approve of. He chose his victims well for the most part. I mean the argument isn't if these are "upstanding women, that have done no wrong" - it's if he was doing a pattern of manipulative behavior based on sexual interest or gender.

[Gallus]

You have a million tools to silence someone who is trying to be funny. There may be some extreme cases, but they are very rare. If you are one of them, report to SE and I'm sure they'll handle it. They are pretty sensitive with this kind of stuff.

On a side note, if there's anyone that has been legit "sexually harassed" in this game I strongly doubt they'll happily post it here.

[QT_Melon]

@QT - I'm really not sure it's wise to leave that link in your last post up. Real names should be protected at all costs (even if they are out elsewhere, I still think we should be responsible here).

It's already a pinned tweet on his twitter, and other groups have posted the direct links. He had edited out the real names recently. I said the original post on his blog he did not.

[Okamimaru]

If you think this thread or it's contained topic is funny please leave... this is not the thread for you...

[DDkiki]

Given that carrying a gun or a knife is a crime in my country that's a pretty terrible example. I find your victim blaming very disturbing, it's SEs job to make this game a safe place, not for victims of abuse to be hounded out of the game which is what seems to be suggesting

The game is safe if you use its functions. SE can't control people communication and interaction. Or you really want chat disabled and all game be like feast? Please look forward to it.

If you think this thread or it's contained topic is funny please leave... this is not the thread for you...

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[jameseoakes]

The game is safe if you use its functions. SE can't control people communication and interaction. Or you really want chat disabled and all game be like feast? Please look forward to it.

They can just ban the abusers/harrasers if it's serious enough, the game will be a far better place without them.

[DDkiki]

They can just ban the abusers/harrasers if it's serious enough, the game will be a far better place without them.

I think everyone agree on that IF the guilt was proven in-game.