DPS who do 4k worth of damage = garbage tier

[Lunaxia]

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You would naturally take aggro manipulation and deaths into account anyway? Nor do I see much changing if there are multiple bad DPS. It will still be evident by enrages/ kill speed. I won't be able to know for certain who is worse than the other, but if multiple DPS are that bad, does it matter?

no

I am not backpedaling. It wasn't addressed at you, and at this point, I have no reason to lie. It genuinely wasn't.

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It's not much effort, as a healer my eyes are usually in that area anyway, particularly on AST. I've never even said it's my own preferred method of judging either; I also look at rotations, gear, buffs and the like. I just believe it can be used to loosely gather who's bringing the group down.

bloop

And those tools are? Was the 2.5k DRG in another post asleep at the keyboard, then?

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I can't speak for the other poster, but my original point was that the aggro meter can show the "garbage" player in a group. I never said it should be used in place of a parser.

[AegisKiddo]

Originally Posted by Lunaxia View Post
Unfortunately there aren't fflogs for Kugane Castle

Originally Posted by HoodRat
https://www.fflogs.com/rankings/14#boss=4511

Do you ever get that feeling your wrong, and when your default augment is to make a strawman; your called out on it, you move back to your default position. How about you think, before you type and maybe the constant trend of people disagreeing with you in this thread might change

[Grifield]

My point of view :

Dungeon : I'm good enough to carry the other dps
Raid 24 : 23 other morons with me, can't do anything to safe it
Savage / Extreme : choosing wisely who I'm playing with saved my life more than once

[Miste]

my original point was that the aggro meter can show the "garbage" player in a group.

No it can't.

End.

[Lunaxia]

There is no substitute for a parser. None. To suggest otherwise is to spread misinformation.

I've answered what you've said before, but let me address this right now: I've never said otherwise, and you have grossly misunderstood my point if so.

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My original point still stands. Kugane was just an example; you can't get data from dungeons.

[KaivaC]

This is still going on? Surprising. Look, you guys are arguing over a stupid comment that I made. It was dumb, offensive, and elitist as hell. Mayhaps it spun off from the original post, but nevertheless, it is still spinning off an incredibly offensive statement that I made. Can you all agree to let this die down? It was a mistake on my part.

[MoroMurasaki]

I've answered what you've said before, but let me address this right now: I've never said otherwise, and you have grossly misunderstood my point if so.



My original point still stands. Kugane was just an example; you can't get data from dungeons.

At some point with so many people misunderstanding your point don't you think it falls to you to better articulate your point? Seems like it would save you and others a lot of headaches.

Had a friend on SAM in an o6n earlier today who I do comperable damage to on RDM. No fault to him, I've been playing RDM longer than he's been on SAM. He took a tankbuster to the face though - didn't manage his enmity well enough. The fact that he was the one at the top of the threat table doesn't mean he was outdpsing me, just that we used our enmity tools differently.

If you honestly feel that you can do your job while also tracking how often and during what parts of their rotations other players use their enmity tools in order to calculate where they would be without them on the threat list and then extrapolate that into an estimate of who is doing "garbage"dps you are a better player than me.

Also I have a bridge you may be interested in buying.

[Asiragan]

This is still going on? Surprising. Look, you guys are arguing over a stupid comment that I made. It was dumb, offensive, and elitist as hell. Mayhaps it spun off from the original post, but nevertheless, it is still spinning off an incredibly offensive statement that I made. Can you all agree to let this die down? It was a mistake on my part.

The funny thing is that you most certainly had no ill will when you created this thread, but on this game people are always prompt to take out the guns when talking about personal performance.

Too late to stop the fire now, just sit back and enjoy as people will get back at each other for seemingly pointless reasons x)

[Lunaxia]

woop

All I've ever said is that you don't really need a parser to see that a DPS is performing badly, and that terrible DPS is reflected in the enmity list. I never said, anywhere, that it's on par with or as reliable as a parser, or that it should be used in place of one.

It's not really difficult to see? It's not even a case of "tracking", it's fairly easy to notice the difference between someone that utilises Diversion/ Shadewalker etc. and someone not even using aggro tools sitting at the bottom of the list through most of the fight with a clear distinction between them and the rest of the group, especially if it's a higher performing job.

[MoroMurasaki]

snipped for length because I'm lazy.

I understand the direction you're trying to go here, humor me if you would be so kind. Sigma normal seems a happy middle ground. How do you pick out an underperforming dps?

This is still going on? Surprising. Look, you guys are arguing over a stupid comment that I made. It was dumb, offensive, and elitist as hell. Mayhaps it spun off from the original post, but nevertheless, it is still spinning off an incredibly offensive statement that I made. Can you all agree to let this die down? It was a mistake on my part.

Can you message me on discord? Please?