DPS who do 4k worth of damage = garbage tier

[Jellybums]

Put me in the garbage tier then. I can't use a parser. I'm still learning DPS classes and pat myself on the back for doing the job right or try to (there's online guides for that). There's probably plenty of garbage DPS like me you run into DF because it doesn't discriminate. When you label random players negatively, you're only making yourself uncomfortable around them or even just the thought of playing with them. I don't wanna carry such baggage around. I'm just trying to play my game, kill it, feel good about myself. Nobody got time thinking toxic thoughts when they tryna have fun.

[HyoMinPark]

Put me in the garbage tier then. I can't use a parser. I'm still learning DPS classes and pat myself on the back for doing the job right or try to (there's online guides for that). There's probably plenty of garbage DPS like me you run into DF because it doesn't discriminate. When you label random players negatively, you're only making yourself uncomfortable around them or even just the thought of playing with them. I don't wanna carry such baggage around. I'm just trying to play my game, kill it, feel good about myself. Nobody got time thinking toxic thoughts when they tryna have fun.

Uhm, Kaiva isn’t calling anyone garbage-tier. However, if you are in a piece of content (such as V8S) doing 4,000 DPS, then yeah, there is a huge problem there. As I said in my post above, there are a lot of different things to consider when you look at a DPS amount (gear, job, party comp, kill time, deaths, etc.). To just look at a number without context is unfair, and a very poor analysis.

Well yeah, that was pretty much the point - I took that particular comment at face value, simplified the idea behind discussion, and made it purely about straight damage. Naturally, there are always other factors to take in consideration, namely everything that you just mentioned. But at the end of the day, I'm just posing the question for a general consensus about it - not really thinking about all that extra stuff that one normally does need to think about during a raid.

It’s not just during a raid—a DPS with inferior/outdated gear matched up against a DPS with BiS is going to do significantly less damage regardless of what type of content you’re in, and that doesn’t necessarily mean that they are a trash player. You can’t just post a number and say “Is this trash or not” without considering the factors that I listed. To do so is unfair to the person you are judging.

[KaivaC]

It’s not just during a raid—a DPS with inferior/outdated gear matched up against a DPS with BiS is going to do significantly less damage regardless of what type of content you’re in, and that doesn’t necessarily mean that they are a trash player. You can’t just post a number and say “Is this trash or not” without considering the factors that I listed. To do so is unfair to the person you are judging.

But is it really unfair, though? We are months removed from the initial Sigmascape release. Wouldn't it be fair to say that the consensus is that DPS stuck at 4k is a major problem for raiding? Even with all the mechanics taken into account, it is my understanding that the harder hitting DPS should be in the high 4ks - near 6k, even in PUG environments.

[Jellybums]

Uhm, Kaiva isn’t calling anyone garbage-tier. However, if you are in a piece of content (such as V8S) doing 4,000 DPS, then yeah, there is a huge problem there. As I said in my post above, there are a lot of different things to consider when you look at a DPS amount (gear, job, party comp, kill time, deaths, etc.). To just look at a number without context is unfair, and a very poor analysis.

Just saying it wouldn't bother me to be called that, can't help it, I got to start somewhere. But it'd probably bother the person who uses such labels because they'll end up playing with/ putting up with others who don't measure up, just aren't good enough yet. Who wants to stress over that? I don't.