All Greed on Alliance loot

[Vstarstruck]

... Or maybe it's just me, and I don't understand why 24-raids are so special that they must be treated as an exception.

So you do not understand why they must be treated as an exception when you are seemly defending a change that makes them an exception? do you ever make sense?

start putting these tokens in currency tab and make a set of currency for 24 raid? fixed? greed wide is the worst fix idea they can possibility come up with. What if I asked you this, Why do you only get to need the gear you can actually wear, then endgame content it changes to these token systems? Or the auto obtain gear at the end of the run? are you going to argue you need a token for every single leveling dungeon in existence? also ex trails is a mercy mechanic, still rolling for your job that you come as.

Well you do have the option to prove them wrong by using the search bar. Simply search 'unsubscribe' and see what you can find and see if they are wrong (also, stop with the name calling/labelling). It should find every post with that word in them.

It's not ordered by date and is specific, so you'd probably have to look up multiples (unsub, unsubbed, unsubscribed, etc)

What on earth are you talking about O_o You search it, I am not doing your work, idk what you are talking about.

[Nestama]

What on earth are you talking about O_o You search it, I am not doing your work, idk what you are talking about.

I went on the assumption you were quoting them for 'people are unsubbing for x reason' and suggested you could use the search bar to prove them wrong. Finding evidence to prove someone wrong, etc (so the suggestion still stands).

As for Greed All, as I said in another thread, I don't see the issue. I hardly ever use 24-man raid gear for anything (other than glamour), even when it comes out and thanks to Eureka, even less so than before. Only on very rare occasions in old raids do I roll Need.

[SicariusSeven]

Whoa, whoa, whoa wait a second now. Are these going to be the new changes coming in May? There is going to be a huge drop in Alliance Raid attendance if this happens. It's bad enough RNG makes it hard for some folks to get the catch up gear but if you make it RNG plus more RNG on top of it, then players will have no reason to go. Only incentive I can see is if the tokens actually do more than just give upgrades, like a chance to buy the gear that drops from a vendor if you have x amount.

[Enla]

I don't understand this change, even when viewed through the lens of the Japanese MMO scene. If the players there already have an unwritten honor system then this is a needless change because they were already engaging in practices that make it little more than an added formality and a waste of resources.

A better change would have been a token system that we lot for akin to the eight man content. It still promotes a healthy level of activity for the twenty-four mans while avoiding the issue of pitting /everyone/ against each other for the scant pieces of loot that are given. Because right now this proposed change really doesn't help in any way shape or form. If anything it's just going to cause salt levels to rise and more people being burnt out with the content.

[Leloa]

Mhm it honestly makes no sense. If I want something for my sub class I run it with that and if not I just hope it drops and no one loots but not the end of the world. Now this is going to be a big problem and people will probably end up asking and shouting dips on gear they need. Completely idiotic.

[Alleo]

The explanation is simple: JP players have some kind of unspoken social rule which pretty much forces you to to everything you can to be performing at the best level you can achieve for the team/alliance.
This means that they are more often than not doing 24-raids with their main job, which is the one they play the best with. This makes it difficult for them to acquire gear from these instances for their alt-jobs.

The outcry mostly comes from the rest of the world, which doesn't care about being credit to team or not. It's mostly people wanting to keep their priviledges of being able to mostly secure loot (especially tanks, but not only) even if they play extremely poorly.

Is there a source that states that they truly only do this with their main job? Because if they care so much for team play and level all their jobs I cant believe that they would not play the other jobs great too. Also the old system still allowed them to get gear just that those that went into this with a job got the first chance. So I cant see how this will get better for them...because if so many of the japanese players need that for their alts and everyone can roll on it..they will just have more people that they roll against..

And like Vstarstruck said: Stop doing stuff for the smaller playerbase...the majority of your playerbase is from NA and EU and if you want to be an international successful game you cant just look at your homeland..

You are in a thread where the vast majority of the people talking are concerned about the new system lowering their chances of getting loot. And that's pretty much all they are concerned about. Some are so passionate about it that they are threatening to unsubscribe. On the other side of the coin, you can count on one hand the number of people who said "I'm glad because I'll now be able to play with the job I'm the most comfortable with and be better for me and my teammates". That very thread is a live proof of what I'm saying. If you want another one, just look at how the two communities play and gave their feedback on Eureka. Have fun with that one.

You kinda said that they may have made the change so that japanese players have a better chance to get the loot for their alts..and yet you see our reaction as negative when we are afraid that this might mean that people will have less chances at loot. Its not like the 24 man raid only exist for loot right? I mean next to glamour, gearing up your character is one of few reasons to run this countless of times.

My question is: If you dont want to play the job that you want your gear with..why do you need gear at all? Because seemingly you are not feeling good to play that one in this content..

[CaptainLagbeard]

I don't think all Greed is a good idea, at least not early on.

And the one item per week limitation sees to people not taking just whatever, the bigger reason people had to run it 20 times a week is because the RNG kept dropping gear to all the of the 0 Dragoons in the party.

I could agree putting the all greed in at most a few weeks in, where people have had time to get 2 or 3 sets by needing... So you don't get the people who have Tomestone sets with higher or equal ilvl needing them for different secondary stats or glamours from people who it would be a full upgrade to.

[BillyKaplan]

Saying you need to go in there on your main makes it sound like you need to have full Savage gear in order to even set foot in the raids otherwise you're not pulling your weight and should feel bad about yourself. Which is stupid.

[Neophyte]

And like Vstarstruck said: Stop doing stuff for the smaller playerbase...the majority of your playerbase is from NA and EU and if you want to be an international successful game you cant just look at your homeland..

JP players are almost 40% of the active player base.
If they're just a bit more active (like subbing for longer periods on average) or tackle the 24-man-raid more frequently they are indeed the more important peer group.
I.e. if those 217k japanese characters have a rate of 90% doing the 24-man regulary, but of the 328k western players only 75% even attempt it.
Consider that there are propably a lot more characters just for roleplay among the western players, rp'ing isn't that common in japan.
It's totally possible that western players have more alts on average: Then there might even be less western players overall than japanese ones.

Or if like 80% of them like the change, but only 70% of the western players dislike it => almost equilibrium of ppl disliking/liking it.

Also, what do ppl expect? When they get a lot of feedback regarding a specific thing from one area (JP, NA, EU) should they ask all other players first?
Unless it's totally obvious that such suggestion is disliked heavily by an even bigger amount of players (which may or may not be the case here), they will just do it and monitor the result. If it's a catastrophe there will be an emergency maintanance anyway.....


Who knows, maybe we get a few additional drops per run, just to compensate for the 'loss'... and suddenly the amount of runs some1 needs isnt really affected.

[Nestama]

What was said in the Live Letter, now that it has been officially translated:

We’re planning to set the loot rule for all alliance raids to “Greed Only” starting in Patch 4.3. We originally intended the alliance raid rewards to be a means for players to obtain gear for their secondary jobs; however, it is difficult for players to participate on these other jobs while wearing lower item level gear. This leads to many simply having to go as their main jobs which makes them unable to hit Need on the items they really wanted, resulting in needing to run the content multiple times. To resolve this issue, we have decided to limit the loot rule to “Greed Only,” making it possible for players to join as their main jobs, while being able to obtain gear for their secondary jobs.