The general player base needs to improve

[AxlStream]

Aaaaand this is going straight into my possible future use of siggys.

Now if could just find AxlStream's original quote and I could get this ball rolling...

Ahem...
Ax gon' give it to ya! http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4524093

Now for my actual post...

The instances to "git gud" are already in place. The logical progression at level 70 should be Expert Roulettes > 24 Man raids > 8 man raids > EX primals >*Savage > Ultimate. It's just not tight enough in it's difficulty to demand the player to step up all the way from the EX primals step. 3 out of the 4 EX primals we had this expansion are laughing stock. In no way do they prepare you for whatever Savage will bring you.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

The instances to "git gud" are already in place. The logical progression at level 70 should be Expert Roulettes > 24 Man raids > 8 man raids > EX primals >*Savage > Ultimate. It's just not tight enough in it's difficulty to demand the player to step up all the way from the EX primals step. 3 out of the 4 EX primals we had this expansion are laughing stock. In no way do they prepare you for whatever Savage will bring you.

Sadly, even Savage hasn't been immune to "laughing stock" status lest we never forget the absolute joke that was Alte Roite.

[AxlStream]

Sadly, even Savage hasn't been immune to "laughing stock" status lest we never forget the absolute joke that was Alte Roite.

I'm with and not with you on that one. I liked Alte Roite as an attempt to get fresh blood into the raiding community and invogorate it a little by making it less daunting. Although it back fired by inflating the ego of people who could clear it instead...