Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[BillyKaplan]

Has it been suggested for these duties to be broken into pieces (with the forced cut scenes)? That way, a roulette run would be doable in a reasonable amount of time, but new players would still get the full effect and could just run them in a row?

While a solid suggestion (veterans don't need to rot away during too many cutscenes, newbies still get their queues - arguably, they'd need several queues to pop now instead of the two before), I feel like that falls under 'too many changes' that they seem to shy away from. Breaking it apart would require effectively creating new instances to queue for, maybe even re-tuning the enemies. And as always, if they're already doing all of that, I'd prefer they made them into solo instances and spared all of us all of this.

Organise it through PF so you don’t get other people caught up in it.

It's almost like PF is the go-to solution both before and after the change, and the biggest drawback to it is how SE doesn't let people know it exists and maybe if they had we wouldn't have been in this situation we're in now :thonking:

You go into the roulette accepting that you will have to wait for people - and if more people had been patient with newcomers before this point, Square might not have felt obligated to force it upon everyone.

That's not even a strawman, it's just an unrelated point, especially when SE themselves have acknowledged that design was a bad idea by never again implementing it, two expansions later. Specifically the part in bold, reminds me of the expectations people have from Mentors and demand punishments if a person with a crown happens to bail on a duty - that's not written anywhere at all, especially when you consider the amount of people who don't even read patch notes. I mean, most likely SE didn't think they'd have to tell you to wait on the newcomers with the unskippable cutscenes, but the fact remains that they didn't explicitly tell anyone 'yo you need to wait on that person'. Vets are there to fill queues, not hold anyone's hand. So while my own original experience in the place was indeed horrid, the problem here is by design, not the people's reaction to it, necessarily.
At this point the thing I'm most curious about is what took them so long to make this change, and what happened to make them implement it now. Cuz after five or so years I'd have expected something more sturdy than this, so it makes me think they were under some sudden pressure.

[Anarnee]

You go into the roulette accepting that you will have to wait for people

Actually, this is not true. If 7/8 of the party were all new, maybe! but the roulette means that you're having to come to a middle ground. Vote kicking because you don't like how someone plays is a valid reason, even if there isn't an option for it when you vote dismiss.
Now, I'm not saying that vote kicking someone for watching a cs is a good thing(and while I've seen people on the forums whine about it I've never seen it happen) but expecting 7 others to wait and not continue, I do find to be silly.

As for the rest.

I've said my piece on on it. I'm glad people people are doing the DC mentod because maybe now SE will actually do something instead of relying on this lazy fix.

I am standing my ground and not running MS roulette anymore, but I do still want a way to do these dungeons without the CS, unsynced.

[Krotoan]

What a weird turnaround. Now if people want the CHOICE to do this and skip the cutscene they can make a PF and make sure everyone agrees to DC for every cutscene, or at least agrees that it's OK.

Though only time will tell if SE considers this reportable. Though I know I'd report people doing it in the MSQ roulette, it sounds like it's directly circumventing the intention of the change. I think as has been said it'd be pretty easy to make the case that someone is doing it intentionally if they DC immediately at each CS, rejoin and rush through the rest. Even then if one person is doing it, sounds plausible for connection problems. Enough people to finish the story synched KEEP having that happen? Little fishy.

[ToasterMan]

Haven't been in the MSQ roulette since forever.

Did the que completely halt?

[Anarnee]

Haven't been in the MSQ roulette since forever.

Did the que completely halt?

Some are swearing up and down that it's fine, and others are saying it's taking much longer, I'm more inclined to believe the later because SE has already mentioned they need to increase the rewards.

[Ashiee]

Haven't been in the MSQ roulette since forever.

Did the que completely halt?

I've been running MSQ every other day to every day since the 4.2 came out, so it's been about 10-12 times or so. From my experience, queue times have not been bad at all. When I run on healer it has been between instant and 10 minutes. I've run it twice on DPS in the last week and my queue was about 15 minutes.

[Fynlar]

The people who have made this exploit public knowledge are to blame for any extra work the GM's have now because of this.

The GMs can't do jack about this. This is something that would require dev intervention, and I'm honestly not sure if they even CAN do something about this given what's probably an innate system limitation (I'm willing to bet they probably cannot just make it so that you can log back in to the same cutscene you were viewing without making more serious changes to the framework of the game in general)

In the end though, it just goes to show what a poor "solution" this was and how dedicated people are to finding a way around it (which, honestly, I'm totally okay with people doing)

[MistakeNot]

It is not an exploit, it is a loophole (please learn the difference) you can't report people for not wanting to watch CS!!! its SE that should be reported to local governments for taking away basic human rights if you wanna go that route.

It is both. It is a loophole, but it becomes an exploit as soon as it is used to avoid the intended game mechanics.
You can't report people for not wanting to watch the cutscenes, true. You can report people for using an exploit to skip the mandatory cutscenes.

[Malkria]

My personal take, and sorry if this has been said before....but why not just retool the dungeons to be epic single player missions? In fact it would make sense, as the last cutscene kinda forgets in it's epic escape...that you came in with a lot more people. Did all your friends (the other players) simply get left to die in the fire?

If I had a say, I would simply say make them single player and an epic fight as one, then go from there. You could have the other scions helping in the first one, then simply have your hero go it alone to fight in the second. Or have the scions again and then show them getting away before the final fight with Lahabrea.

[Zojha]

You can't report people for not wanting to watch the cutscenes, true. You can report people for using an exploit to skip the mandatory cutscenes.

More correctly: You can report people for anything and everything.

Whether GMs will take action instead of groaning and throwing the report in the bin is a different story. You'll only find that out by trying.