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    Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

    We all know that newbies who want to watch story cutscenes in the castrums have been struggling a long time, usually being answered with "just rewatch it at the inn/ on youtube." I myself have experienced this, and a majority of current players also probably have. But...

    Making the cut scenes unskippable, and then locking what will be more than likely a sizable reward behind it is not the answer. Additionally, even though they may no longer be skippable, the bosses will still be burned down in a matter of moments because of the high ilevel sync, leaving the new player with a feeling of lack of accomplishment and defeating the point of this change.

    My suggestion is to just remove it from duty roulette entirely and change it into a personal instance, allowing the player better interaction with the duty. Or, you know, just revert it back.

    I'm sure people also have plenty of other solutions and ideas which should be posted, but I think we can all agree that changing the cut scenes to be unskippable is not the answer. All this will do is drastically increase the queue times for those dungeons and make it harder for new players to get in and progress to other parts of the game(and the queue times for those dungeons can already be quite long).

    Edit: I want to point out this suggestion I've been seen being made in a few places; It might be possible to implement a "skip cutscene" vote, based on a majority victory, which will allow players to skip cutscenes.; Those who want to watch still can, but for those that don't can charge ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louvain View Post
    Ultimately, the core of the issue that bothers me most if the choice of the matter. There are a lot of people who are interested in watching the cutscenes, but there are just as many who are indifferent or simply just want to get past it. Whereas before you had the option to ask for people to run with you to watch the cs or simply speed run it by queuing normally, currently there is no way to skip past it (without buying a story skip potion). Regardless if the people in it want to watch or if everyone has already cleared, you are forced to endure the cutscenes at a set speed, which, after the 3rd time starts to get pretty old for most people. And I think that being able to make that choice is what it really boils down to in the end.
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    Last edited by Louvain; 02-09-2018 at 05:08 PM.

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    All I see in that part of the patch notes is "never queue for MSQ roulette again".

    Got it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockette View Post
    All I see in that part of the patch notes is "never queue for MSQ roulette again".

    Got it.
    This right here ^ and now all the new players will complain they can't get a group for MSQ anymore because nobody wants else wants to sit there and re-watch the CS over and over lol
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    "Everyone has something they hold dear, something they never want to lose. That's why they pretend. That's why they hide the truth. And that's why they lie."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockette View Post
    All I see in that part of the patch notes is "never queue for MSQ roulette again".

    Got it.
    I agree, this is possibly the dumbest thing I have ever seen Square Enix ever do with regards to this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockette View Post
    All I see in that part of the patch notes is "never queue for MSQ roulette again".

    Got it.
    On that note, can we filter a roulette to just not show up in our list? It's not quite terribly crowded...yet, but it'll get to the point of needing to scroll eventually.

    Might as well nip it in the bud and let players choose which ones not to show. Guildhests would be my first pick followed by, because of the 4.2 changes, MSQ.
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    Preach. Absolutely never. Not once.
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    I was literally just about to type up something similar. Those two have been a known pain for years, and now devs took the absolute worst option and made it unskippable. Nobody is going to want to run this now and its ridiculous. Did the devs think about what would happen if, say, a player went afk during the cutscenes? This is a very short-sighted patch, and its just going to gate new players horribly. Hell, tie THESE duties in with squadrons! Make it so that you and your 7 squad members can run it. And if new players don't even do squadrons, give them 7 NPCs, tone down the mobs, and break each section up into instanced quests.

    Honestly, I hope the backlash on this is as fierce as the housing issue because honestly, the devs definitely deserve criticism on this decision. These two duties already have made some, not a whole lot, but some players quit over these cutscenes and impatience - now, very few players outside of helping their FC mates and good Samaritans every once in a while will run this.

    Good job.
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    Last edited by KaivaC; 01-26-2018 at 07:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaivaC View Post
    (snip) These two duties already have made some, not a whole lot, but some players quit over these cutscenes and impatience - now, very few players outside of helping their FC mates and good Samaritans every once in a while will run this.

    Good job.
    If a person quits over waiting a few minutes for a new player to watch a cutscene, then they have some bigger problems in their life. That is a stupid reason to quit a game.

    But I can understand the reaction to making cutscenes unskippable. I'm at the point where I chose the option in my General settings to not show cutscenes that have already been watched. But that begs the question ... if the scenes become unskippable, does that mean the party is all locked in that circle thing? Cause that is a bit heavy handed.

    The parties I've been in let the new players know that they will be burning through the dungeon, and if they want them to wait to see like .. the end boss or whatever .. to speak up. Which so far, no new player has. Of course, I've also read that it is 'written' that parties burn through the MSQ roulette. Which I understand as it is old ARR content and we are on SB now.

    But there is many extremes to deal with this ... which honestly, taking a few minutes to head to an Inn and watch the cutscenes (which BTW works perfectly fine) doesn't seem such a bad idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelCheese77 View Post
    But there is many extremes to deal with this ... which honestly, taking a few minutes to head to an Inn and watch the cutscenes (which BTW works perfectly fine) doesn't seem such a bad idea.
    It's not the same. Watching the cutscenes with breaks when they were supposed to have fights in between and maybe some in-instance dialog its just not the same. Which is why I'm all in favor of making it a solo instance, let every person decide for themselves how to handle that experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelCheese77 View Post
    If a person quits over waiting a few minutes for a new player to watch a cutscene, then they have some bigger problems in their life. That is a stupid reason to quit a game.
    I'm sure you've heard the expression "The straw that broke the camel's back". XIV is not a perfect game, and SE has this habit of implementing things in the most ass-backwards way you could think of. Everyone has their breaking point, and it seems this latest move is it for him.

    They have known about this particular issue for YEARS. Basically since the launch of the game. And when they finally get around to dealing with it - they now just force CSs on everyone? Unless they are offering exorbitant XP rewards, they have most likely killed this roulette and only the sprouts will suffer.

    Lastly, I'm sure they are hoping this will help boost their MSQ skipping potions. I know people have been joking about that in this thread, but I don't doubt that was one of the positives in their mind for implementing the change in this way.
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