Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[Noata]

I cannot believe some people in this thread literally don't have the capacity to realize why this is a bad change. the education system has seriously failed this generation, since it apparently no longer teaches any kind of basic critical thinking to those who need to be taught it.

Nice to see some people were taught to understand what a forum is.... or that people not agreeing with them isn't a sign of poor intelligence, nor that "Their Opinion" is always the correct and smart opinion. I can't understand the sub set of people who think they are always better and "right". Anyways....

I accept the change, it is a result of people doing a roulette for "main story", and telling people to skip the "main story", they brought this on themselves. I will still do the roulette, Never had an issue waiting a few minutes... considering I chose to do the "Main Story" roulette.
If anything it is a long overdue justice to those who don't even understand the roulette was made to help the new players not them.

[Naberrie]

I cannot believe some people in this thread literally don't have the capacity to realize why this is a bad change. the education system has seriously failed this generation, since it apparently no longer teaches any kind of basic critical thinking to those who need to be taught it.

That's some quality self-absorption, there.

What this change means is that there will be extraordinary wait times for those needing to complete them. It also means that older players will know exactly what they're getting in to when they queue, and are doing it anyway, meaning a new player is more inclined to get someone who is patient and actually willing to help. And yeah, it sucks for the (maybe?) five people playing the game who actually queue for MSQ roulette on a regular basis, but if you're like me and you run either maybe every year and a half, it's not a quality of life breaker.

[Jellybums]

I cannot believe some people in this thread literally don't have the capacity to realize why this is a bad change. the education system has seriously failed this generation, since it apparently no longer teaches any kind of basic critical thinking to those who need to be taught it.

Sorry, not understanding why this isn't the right thing to do. Why should any decision maker let two climactic MSQ dungeons in ARR be broken by players who want to farm it for tomes they can gather elsewhere? You mean to say it's better for any new player to have a faster queue to a sh|tty ride than wait it out a bit alone or form a party for a better experience? Two years ago my partner queued two hours for Prae only to get left behind for watching cutscenes. That impression sticks. These dungeons are ARR's main highlights and the devs worked hard providing quality content to make a good impression. And you actually want no one to enjoy MSQ dungeons the way they're intended to be experienced so you can farm poetics. You're free to uninvite yourself from the MSQ roulette party.

[BillyKaplan]

You mean to say it's better for any new player to have a faster queue to a sh|tty ride than wait it out a bit alone or form a party for a better experience?

Literally no one is saying the way things are now is alright. Everyone knows those dungeons are broken and cannot be kept the way they are. We simply vehemently disagree with the way SE has chosen to go about it, there's a difference.

devs worked hard providing quality content to make a good impression.

Badly designed content is not the fault of the players and no amount of effort invested into development can change how good or bad content actually is. And SE agrees it is badly designed because no other piece of group content in the game after a certain point has cutscenes in the middle of it, heck at some point they moved post-content cutscenes to after you click exit instead of right after the fight (Vault vs. Keeper of the Lake, for one). The problem is fixing this the right way would take too much time and effort they would rather spend on recording trials and Perform for some reason.

[Sylvina]

Literally no one is saying the way things are now is alright. Everyone knows those dungeons are broken and cannot be kept the way they are. We simply vehemently disagree with the way SE has chosen to go about it, there's a difference.

Exactly this. Theres a problem with these dungeons of course, but this is literally the stupidest way they could possibly try and "Fix" it.

[Jellybums]

Badly designed content is not the fault of the players and no amount of effort invested into development can change how good or bad content actually is. And SE agrees it is badly designed because no other piece of group content in the game after a certain point has cutscenes in the middle of it, heck at some point they moved post-content cutscenes to after you click exit instead of right after the fight (Vault vs. Keeper of the Lake, for one). The problem is fixing this the right way would take too much time and effort they would rather spend on recording trials and Perform for some reason.

I for one can't say it's badly designed without even experiencing it in its entirety ever. Same with most everyone, we don't have qualified opinions on them for sure. However, these dungeons don't sound like something I would do on the daily. But if it's a one time thing for everyone and they're essential to the story, they're worth a go. The queue times people are worried about, with a little creativity, they can be improved. Some folks already said their piece on how. At this point we can't all say it's a bad solution when all the host does is stop some guests from ruining the experience for other guests. And we are all guests here, are we not?

[BillyKaplan]

I for one can't say it's badly designed without even experiencing it in its entirety ever. Same with most everyone, we don't have qualified opinions on them for sure.

You just proved it's horribly designed that such a thing is even possible. And no, strong-arming anyone who goes in there to go through the entire experience when even a lot of newbies don't care about the cutscenes is not the way to fix this.

However, these dungeons don't sound like something I would do on the daily. But if it's a one time thing for everyone and they're essential to the story, they're worth a go.

You've brought up the problem while ignoring it completely. No one will have that proper experience with full cutscenes if the queue doesn't pop, and the queue won't pop because no one will queue for that roulette with those changes to begin with. You just said as much yourself, after a fashion.
You know what's good for taking it at your own pace and only run through it the once? Solo instances :^) just saying. Also solves the queue issues if you don't have the entire game trying to break through Raubahn (Savage) at the same time so the instances server crashes.

[Nihility]

I wasn't saying this is a bad change because of selfish reasons, i don't even do the MSQ roulette

I'm guessing a lot of the people defending it haven't actually sat through all the cut scenes?
It makes those dungeons take like an hour of waiting for chat bubbles to click through

To incentivize people to do that daily the reward would have to be way over the top incredible.
So we either have 2 incredibly easy dungeons that are way out of whack rewarding or we will have a MSQ block that will be much much worse than currently. Both situations are kind of bad imo

[HoodRat]

I'm guessing a lot of the people defending it haven't actually sat through all the cut scenes?
It makes those dungeons take like an hour of waiting for chat bubbles to click through

From what I've read, I think they have watched through all the cutscenes. I've seen some people (on the forums and on discord) talk about how they are the pinnacle of white knightiness and queue as groups just to let a newbie go through and watch the cutscenes. It's just that they seem to not be able to understand what will happen when a majority of the people who were running the roulette suddenly stop. And, judging by all the threads about this topic, I'd say they do recognize that most players only run it for quick and easy tomes/xp...they just aren't making the connection.

[Krotoan]

So, they've made it so people who want to do the MSQ and watch the cutscenes won't get forced into "wtfrudoin noob, watch on your own time" parties. People who don't care can partyfinder it and get it out of the way, possibly (in fact very likely) unsynched for extra rushy goodness.

I can see this being ... interesting.

It's also a positive that people who actively want to help others have a definite "you should do this roulette" where they KNOW the people want the help.

I cannot WAIT to revisit this in a month.