Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[Anarnee]

Lying to yourself wont solve the problem either.

PLEASE do tell me what I'm lying to myself about.

[RokkuEkkusu]

Most of my Main Scenario roulette runs do not have a single person. Ironically enough, we kind of enjoyed some chats about patches, story, gameplay, etc., during the cutscenes. In some other instances, I also check on my FC chat, linkshells, Discord chat rooms, and other FFXIV forums.

As far as time spent on runs go, Castrum Meridianum isn't a problem in terms of time spent. It's still less than 30 minutes on average with a good group (faster than the most of my average Skalla runs.) Praetorium can be too long for repeated plays though.

YMMV on the return of poetic tomes and exp earned. The exp is satisfactory for me and I use poetic tomes for Shire Accessories to turn in to GC. I can get ventures, GC mats, food (for extra EXP and secondary stats), and various other items without breaking the bank (in this case, gil.)

[XiXiQ]

I know some think just rearranging things and moving the cutscenes to the end is a good plan - but after actually getting to watch them, they are extremely beneficial to new players as they explain the objectives as you go along.

[Alleo]

I await your counter argument white knights.

I also dont like this change at all and I cant really see how this can be seen as good in any way. I also know that there are some posters that seem to defend any kind of changes from SE but please stop with the white knight parts of your post. Insulting others with that is not a good way to have an discussion. Just post your opinions without that one and thats completely fine.

Edit:

I forgot to respond to this earlier.

I agree that the story quality is.... variable, but when it gets good it gets really good. The late part of ARR starting from when Lahabrea is unmasked. The ending of the "hundred quests" where all the pieces set up beforehand fall into place one after the other. The aftermath of the Vault.

I'm also curious whether I'll get bored of it, to be honest. I've only gotten Castrum since the cutscene change was brought in.

Oh I do watch every cutscene for the first time too even if the story is not the most greatest ever. But I also can understand that people just play a MMO for something else and they were able to skip all the CS if they dont care about it. But right now even that is not possible anymore.

And honestly when I was trying to get my retainers for my alts I just skipped most of them and only watched the bigger ones so I also can understand that people with twinks might not want to watch them again.

Maybe instead of forcing cutscenes on everyone they could have made barriers for the bosses thus people could still kill the trash mobs between bosses while the newer players are watching the cutscenes but the bosses had to be done with everyone there. So people could make it still a bit faster by clearing it up to the bosses. Still not optimal but honestly better than what we have now. (The best imo would still be solo duties)

[Tlamila]

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Why was this posted in like 6 threads?

[RokkuEkkusu]

Why was this posted in like 6 threads?

Good question, I'd say with all of the complaining, I might as well put some of my input before it falls on deaf ears.

[NephthysVasudan]

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DAWWWWWW <3

*looks at the crowd*

Honestly there is no solution...its a paradox.

Problem A: There are new players (and the stupid part is everyone claims otherwise..you people can just go shove it :P ) that want to see the cut-scenes ONCE..but cant and where pressured to speed run this...I was one of them by the way (newbies that is)....And some quit the game...obviously SE Saw this and got fed up.
Problem B: People grinding the MSQ Roulette for a decent EXP/Tome bonus - but they don't like cut-scenes....so ermmmhurrdurr they brute force the 2 dungeons and leave the poor newbies behind.

Fact: Of the entire series these are the only 2 dungeons like this....people are all panic'd and going "oh shit" they are going to do this again! PANIC! PANIC PANIC! PANIC! THE WORLD IS GOING oh please shut up already. SE will never do anything like this again. This is old content they are trying to deal with. Grow up already.
Fact: People who use this roulette don't have too..they can go somewhere else...yet they pick it anyway and have the gal to come here and bitch about it? T.T;
Fact: The only LEGITIMATE complaint right now for anything to do with this change are people who DO join - only to find others ditching the game (and should be -ditchers- thrice damned because they KNEW what was going on in the first place) leaving behind people who are stuck with it.

Oh and Mentors - yes you - you lose the right to complain by default if you join this roulette (via mentor or when wearing the badge)...don't got the time? Don't commit.

But alas....will anyone pay attention? Nope...too content to complain and beat each other senseless and blame it all on SE.

Do I like this change? No.
So I wont do the roulette... UNLESS its in mentor duty and I have enough time to finish the job..and you can be damn sure I won't ditch either unless I have no choice. Because is the right thing to do.
But you don't see me complaining about this like some total child moron now do you.

You may be paying for your subscriptions guys...you may say "I play my way or the high way" guess what...you don't own this game....leave if you don't like it....or better yet..how about you actually listen to the best advise overall.

STOP USING THE MSQ ROULLETE. It's what I'm doing :P (unless I have time to kill)

The newbies will be in total pain but SE will have to do something about it. Bitching about it on the forums is pathetic - your beating a dead horse....and you wont get anywhere further than whats already been said.
Mentors however..will need to step up and take care of things...instead of being lazy ego-tistical-elitists who think they are better than anyone else.

Solutions offered are unique...but like it or not - these 2 dungeons are unique and require a full party to run PROPERLY - any other change would be a significant rewrite.
Cut-scene vote would be a good idea - but i don't see it happening because people troll with vote systems already every day <vote abandon/vote kick etc>

Bottom line - you want SE's attention? Stop doing it....or leave....but stop making yourselves to be fools by keeping this argumentation up and making a dozen more threads over the same damn thing.

The irony is...people who don't like this..will skip cut-scenes if permitted..and you can be damn sure they will leave the newbies behind and make some stupid excuse....which means you have no excuse period. if you can't figure that out...you have zero cause to be complaining because there is only one person here to blame for this change.....and thats the people who skipped cut-scenes adnausim and speed run the dungeon.

Like it or not... SE picks newbies over anyone else...period. Ignore that fact..and you damn yourself. So until a proper solution is thought of to keep everyone happy...you'll have to get used to the current system. Revert it - and newbies will start complaining in droves.

Damned if you do..damned if your don't...but please stop this pathetic argumentation.....

*hops off soap box*

[Reynhart]

this has nothing about if SE should make these CS unskipable, this is about people not knowing how to act.

Meridianum and Praetorium are introduced, but no one runs it several times, so, late player have a hard time running it.
SE creates the MSQ roulette to encourage people to return there, some people are putting pressure to skip CS because they don't want to waste time.
SE introduced the kick system to encourage people playing nice, some people use it to be jerks with new players, like, for example :

step 1, kick the new player, then if the DF still forces the CS unskipable because they entered with the new player, the 7 can leave without penalty.

SE introduced the new player bonus, to make it more bearable to run with new players, and increase the reward/time ratio.
SE introduced wonder tails, encouraging player to return to old content, and at the same time, increases the new player bonus for any content that's not directly linked to wondrous tails.

Apparently, it didn't really change the situation, since, after all that, they come to the conclusion that the only way to really fix the initial problem is to stop people from rushing, but still drastically increase the reward.

At one point will you realize that a significant part of the community is still behaving like jerks even after all the bonuses they gave, and they're bored of finding solution that people will still bypass just to still be jerks ?
You don't think the MSQ roulette is worth it, fine, don't run it. And all the people that acted like jerks in the past will also stop running it ensuring that the remaining people will allow for pleasant runs for new players, and still get a worthy reward when they decide to level a fresh level 50 characters.

Keep your "strawman" escape all you want, keep your position because you have all the right to, I'm just glad we won't ever cross with each other in the MSQ roulette thanks to our different POV.

See you again ! or not...

[Alleo]

There is a solution..its called solo instanced duties..give them a bunch of NPC soldiers or adventurers (which makes sense since we are attacking it with others) and people can watch it all they want with no pressure. If you dont like stories just skip it, if you like cutscenes you can watch them in your own pace. Heck you can go to the toilet without missing something because you need to click onto this yourself..and for veteran players that want to watch the full one themselves..well introduce another NPC that will let the WoL remember that dungeon thus introducing the first step of being able to re-do solo duties.

Win win for everyone. (Since they could just make the experience higher in other roulettes thus taking that one out would not hurt much)

I still find it funny when people are posting in a thread that people should stop arguing about a change, especially with such a huge post. If you dont like people whining about it (which surely could be a bad change for newer players..) how about ignoring the threads? Nobody is forcing someone to read it. x) But whining about people whining seems to be in.

[Anarnee]

Dramatics

...Ok yeah nice, but still tell me why I have to watch those garbage cut scenes when I am running my alts through the main story. Unsynced in PF or with a friend.

I don't give a chocobo's behind about the Main scenario roulette anymore. Won't do it ever again. Won't help anyone asking for help with those dungeon again. Won't. That's not a problem. I don't need the exp or the tomes from it.

Where as I use to be the person explaining things to newbies, waiting for them, or telling them not to skip the CS and enjoy their story. I've run into plenty of people that were ready and eager to skip cut scenes because the read up on the instances before hand, but I would still tell them they shouldn't because I do think the story should be enjoyed the first time through, something that I didn't get my first run. I am not needed to do this anymore. They can sit and watch it and not worry now.

But I do have a few alts that I would like to finish the story on though. Now tell me why I can't skip cut scenes that I have already seen a dozen times before, when I want to get the duty quickly done.

You keep nagging about points that I've seen few and far between even bring up on the recent pages, and making drama out of it, when I'm not even seeing any people talking about what you're saying.

You could just as well take your own advice and walk away if you don't like it.

Nothing gets changes if you're quiet about it, and I will not be quiet about it.