Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[Anarnee]

I find it utterly pathetic and hilarious and sad that people are arguing over something that you are not required to play or use..yet they complain when they use it...ignoring the fact they where told up front what would happen.

But please..do continue beating each other up. *eats popcorn*

I do with some of you would pay attention to the point that we're not just complaining about the ROULETTE

MSQ/MAIN SCENARIO ROULETTE are not one in the same. If we're gonna make that argument, we're not required to play this game at all. But if I level an new character, which I do regularly, and I want to quickly unsync these dungeons I can't. I have to sit through an hour and a half of, quite frankly, some of the worst garbage CS in the game.

OR

Pay $20 to get past it, and miss out on parts of the game that I actually enjoy.

I love this game and should be able to play at my pace, just as the newbies shouldn't be rushed through, I shouldn't be forced to sit through it.

There are a multitude of problems here not just "Don't run Main scenario roulette if you don't want to."

[NephthysVasudan]

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Lying to yourself wont solve the problem either.

[Anarnee]

Lying to yourself wont solve the problem either.

PLEASE do tell me what I'm lying to myself about.

[RokkuEkkusu]

Most of my Main Scenario roulette runs do not have a single person. Ironically enough, we kind of enjoyed some chats about patches, story, gameplay, etc., during the cutscenes. In some other instances, I also check on my FC chat, linkshells, Discord chat rooms, and other FFXIV forums.

As far as time spent on runs go, Castrum Meridianum isn't a problem in terms of time spent. It's still less than 30 minutes on average with a good group (faster than the most of my average Skalla runs.) Praetorium can be too long for repeated plays though.

YMMV on the return of poetic tomes and exp earned. The exp is satisfactory for me and I use poetic tomes for Shire Accessories to turn in to GC. I can get ventures, GC mats, food (for extra EXP and secondary stats), and various other items without breaking the bank (in this case, gil.)

[Terrini]

Back when I beat MSQ in like... April 2014 I sat through the cut scenes and missed most of the fights. I saw no issue with that because to me, the story was most important anyway. And I smack my head at people saying to watch those cut scenes at the inn because you CAN'T. They don't have the dungeon cutscenes available at the inn, unless they changed something since last I checked.

Making it a solo instance might be best ultimately, but changing the cutscenes out to play in real time would not work and it would be a shame cuz they're some nice scenes that just would not be the same if they were realtime. But I agree that the point in these dungeons being introductory 8 man content is largely pointless at this stage because everyone ignores the mechanics anyway.

[Tlamila]

And I smack my head at people saying to watch those cut scenes at the inn because you CAN'T. They don't have the dungeon cutscenes available at the inn, unless they changed something since last I checked.

Uh yes you can. You can now and you could in 2014 as well. I watched the cutscenes at the inn at my very first run in 2013, and I did again when I reran on new char now. Only difference is you're solo in them.

[Iscah]

They don't have the dungeon cutscenes available at the inn, unless they changed something since last I checked.

The scenes are there, it's just that their 'filing system' is rather fragmented.

When you first open the menu, you get the list of ARR Main Scenario Quests, ending in "The Ultimate Weapon" which shows the ending cutscenes that play after you exit the Praetorium dungeon instance.

To get the actual dungeon cutscenes, you have to select the green Instanced Dungeons icon to access (unsurprisingly) the list of dungeons.

I couldn't find them either at first. I also think it may be genuinely missing a short scene that happened inbetween the two dungeons, but possibly that was just a talking-in-game scene and not an actual cutscene.

[XiXiQ]

I know some think just rearranging things and moving the cutscenes to the end is a good plan - but after actually getting to watch them, they are extremely beneficial to new players as they explain the objectives as you go along.

[Alleo]

There is a solution..its called solo instanced duties..give them a bunch of NPC soldiers or adventurers (which makes sense since we are attacking it with others) and people can watch it all they want with no pressure. If you dont like stories just skip it, if you like cutscenes you can watch them in your own pace. Heck you can go to the toilet without missing something because you need to click onto this yourself..and for veteran players that want to watch the full one themselves..well introduce another NPC that will let the WoL remember that dungeon thus introducing the first step of being able to re-do solo duties.

Win win for everyone. (Since they could just make the experience higher in other roulettes thus taking that one out would not hurt much)

I still find it funny when people are posting in a thread that people should stop arguing about a change, especially with such a huge post. If you dont like people whining about it (which surely could be a bad change for newer players..) how about ignoring the threads? Nobody is forcing someone to read it. x) But whining about people whining seems to be in.

[Raiya]

The problem here is they're doing it wrong expecially with Praetorium.

Castrum is reasonable because theres only 2 odd semi long CS's but overall it doesnt change much.

Praetorium on the other hand is WAY over the top. So much so that with some of the CS's people will just afk most of the dungeon. Its ironically faster as well to unplug the modem cable to force DC and relog and you bypass the CS entirely. This is whats gonna start happening with older players who arent in the mood. They'll just work around it once they get fed up.

The simplest and most effective solution would be to basically turn most of castrum meridanum into a solo instance and make livia a trial fight like rhitalyn and as for the praetorium the same thing with the ultima fight its own trial. That would solve the issue as newbies arent likely to miss CS's that much. Even if the CS's were unskippable on the latter it would be only 2 as opposed to 6 or 7 which is ridiculous.

I never had problems with newbies in the dungeon they were free poetics and anyone whinging about it were utter muppets. Anyone vote kicking for someone watching a CS deserved to be kicked themselves for griefing.