Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[Keyln]

I ran the MSQ a few times as a tank, and my experience has been rather good.

First of all, 500 tomes in 45 minutes is a rather good return on my time, especially considering most of that time is in cutscenes. I've heard of people getting two levels in a single run, so that makes it worthwhile.

And this fix addresses a long-standing issue that should have been resolved an expansion ago.

Overall, I rather like this patch.

Finally, to the chap that said that roulettes are for speedrunning, I have to say I disagree.

[Krotoan]

I ran the MSQ a few times as a tank, and my experience has been rather good.

First of all, 500 tomes in 45 minutes is a rather good return on my time, especially considering most of that time is in cutscenes. I've heard of people getting two levels in a single run, so that makes it worthwhile.

And this fix addresses a long-standing issue that should have been resolved an expansion ago.

Overall, I rather like this patch.Finally, to the chap that said that roulettes are for speedrunning, I have to say I disagree.

Agreed, roulettes were to get people into the instances. HOW they played those instances was up to the party and people who were xp/tome maximizers , who have other options which have been apparently proven better xp/tomes per minute, took away an experience from those who didn't have an option for completing that part of the MSQ.

The main problem here is they're used to it being a certain way.

while I continue to say nothing needs to be changed for the current iteration of the roulette, we need to do something about running the instance OUT of the roulette.. but that is the ONLY adjustment I can see necessary without further, and extensive data on the current MSQ runs.

Only that change negatively affected those who the roulette wasn't catering to.

Also as was earlier said, if it can be dynamically changed to having skippable cutscenes if no new runners are present, that should be done as well and is quite fair.

Arguably the line should have been designed better in the first place and the decision to keep it without modification all these years is questionable. However the likelyhood of modifying the current system is much greater than expecting a demonstrably resistant to rework team to redo the whole thing.

[Vstarstruck]

Here's one where the the OP is at 100Another one where the first reply agreeing to the OP is at 156

Both topics not posted just after a big change on that subject, which likely gives a lot of attention to recent threads, and that don't have half of their content complaining before ever knowing how much of an issue this could be (For example, when people still hoped they could skip the cutscenes in premade and were only complaining about the roulette, making all the concerns about alts moot back then, or having no real idea or how the reward would be increased)

Again, don't try to prove you're a vast majority...

You have no idea why they got liked do you? a hint is...it is not because it supports your position.

The king of throwing starmans, and not replying to what is posted to him is advising others on fallacies that is rich.

Protip, try reading posts in full and responding them in full.

"In addition to this, square enix hands out an additional 100 relics if a new member is present for this dungeon. why? likely for this very reason, so that people wouldn't abuse new players."

I have a problem with this, sounds like victimizing. It was never explained what they tried to tell the group in slowing down, how come there was no kicks on the people being jerks? In runs when I come across people like that, ones causing problems, I get kicks passed on the people causing the problems. That post or the 156 thing does not support your point at all and supports mine, SE should not be babying people and forcing people to watch CS at a fixed speed because people do not know how to communicate and treat each other.

"so he typed up a big paragraph which I'm pretty sure included key story points and spoilers from both Heavensward and Stormblood. So now before I've even gotten around to buying the Stormblood expansion, there are a few things I now know beforehand which pisses me off.."

this has nothing about if SE should make these CS unskipable, this is about people not knowing how to act.

So I told you my main point, along with stating before in past posts, they CS are still play at a fixed speed unsync. People should have a right to chose how they do things and how slow, fast they want to watch the CS. Most of the time I see "take all the time you want to watch the CS but we are moving on ahead to finish it because it takes too long" and rarely see anything outside that.

You found 2 posts, one from 2014, grats? still harming 1000 to help 1 because one select group does not know how to communicate, that degree of babying I find insulting. If they want a proper remedy a simple pop up can appear for first time goers suggesting they use the PF if they want to take their time because it can take over 1 hour to watch all the cutscenes. No reasoning in the world will change my stance of 1. making people watch CS at a fixed speed, some read faster, some read slower. 2. making people watch CS at a fixed speed/ at all, in pf unsync groups. In all your posts I do not even know what you are debating here, when I repeatedly state mine while it going ignored.

Also as was earlier said, if it can be dynamically changed to having skippable cutscenes if no new runners are present, that should be done as well and is quite fair.

This is why we need people that think about what changes will impact the community before actually releasing them. You REALLY.. .REALLY do not see the issue this can bring? 7 people that want to hyper speed it, and a new person forcing CS. step 1, kick the new player, then if the DF still forces the CS unskipable because they entered with the new player, the 7 can leave without penalty.

This change is insulting most of the player base suggesting they need to be babysat to this degree? I do not understand why people would support anything in regards having to do something. It is just gonna mean longer queue times for new players, I am not being "catered to" and it negatively impacts everyone because it makes queue times increase. I see no reason to white knight this change.

For your last my argument is this, you either change it fully to fix the problem, or do not touch it at all. Making a half effort fix is often worse then not doing anything, like we have now to prove such a statement. ether change it to make it solo or revert it back to how it was before 4.2. The playerbase does not need this degree of babying because people do not know how to talk to each other.

As a human being I should have a right how I do things, a right how fast or slow I want to view the CS, not be forced on me, I am shocked more are not insulted by such a concept. I do not need to be told how fast or slow to view a CS. I do what I want.

[NephthysVasudan]

I find it utterly pathetic and hilarious and sad that people are arguing over something that you are not required to play or use..yet they complain when they use it...ignoring the fact they where told up front what would happen.

But please..do continue beating each other up. *eats popcorn*

[Terrini]

Back when I beat MSQ in like... April 2014 I sat through the cut scenes and missed most of the fights. I saw no issue with that because to me, the story was most important anyway. And I smack my head at people saying to watch those cut scenes at the inn because you CAN'T. They don't have the dungeon cutscenes available at the inn, unless they changed something since last I checked.

Making it a solo instance might be best ultimately, but changing the cutscenes out to play in real time would not work and it would be a shame cuz they're some nice scenes that just would not be the same if they were realtime. But I agree that the point in these dungeons being introductory 8 man content is largely pointless at this stage because everyone ignores the mechanics anyway.

[Tlamila]

And I smack my head at people saying to watch those cut scenes at the inn because you CAN'T. They don't have the dungeon cutscenes available at the inn, unless they changed something since last I checked.

Uh yes you can. You can now and you could in 2014 as well. I watched the cutscenes at the inn at my very first run in 2013, and I did again when I reran on new char now. Only difference is you're solo in them.

[Veliena]

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Neph I swear the more stuff I read of yours on the forums the more you are becoming one of my favorite posters lol

On the topic of this, I think the best solution would be to give the 2 instances a box, this box ask if you will sit through cutscenes for extra rewards. If you do not check the box, you are placed in a group consisting of only people who did not check the box, and all cutscenes are auto skipped. If you check the box, you are only placed with players who did check the box.

Simple.

[Anarnee]

I find it utterly pathetic and hilarious and sad that people are arguing over something that you are not required to play or use..yet they complain when they use it...ignoring the fact they where told up front what would happen.

But please..do continue beating each other up. *eats popcorn*

I do with some of you would pay attention to the point that we're not just complaining about the ROULETTE

MSQ/MAIN SCENARIO ROULETTE are not one in the same. If we're gonna make that argument, we're not required to play this game at all. But if I level an new character, which I do regularly, and I want to quickly unsync these dungeons I can't. I have to sit through an hour and a half of, quite frankly, some of the worst garbage CS in the game.

OR

Pay $20 to get past it, and miss out on parts of the game that I actually enjoy.

I love this game and should be able to play at my pace, just as the newbies shouldn't be rushed through, I shouldn't be forced to sit through it.

There are a multitude of problems here not just "Don't run Main scenario roulette if you don't want to."

[Iscah]

They don't have the dungeon cutscenes available at the inn, unless they changed something since last I checked.

The scenes are there, it's just that their 'filing system' is rather fragmented.

When you first open the menu, you get the list of ARR Main Scenario Quests, ending in "The Ultimate Weapon" which shows the ending cutscenes that play after you exit the Praetorium dungeon instance.

To get the actual dungeon cutscenes, you have to select the green Instanced Dungeons icon to access (unsurprisingly) the list of dungeons.

I couldn't find them either at first. I also think it may be genuinely missing a short scene that happened inbetween the two dungeons, but possibly that was just a talking-in-game scene and not an actual cutscene.

[NephthysVasudan]

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Lying to yourself wont solve the problem either.