Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[Krotoan]

And to hell with the new players who don't care, amirite? They also exist. And what about fast readers who'd like to click their own texts? What about slow readers who can't read fast enough before the texts shift over?
This solution doesn't even cover the entirety of the demographic they claim they wanted to cater for.

The problem with both you and Reynhart is that you think if anyone is displeased with this solution, then they're against finding a solution for this period and we should be happy with this new situation just because they addressed the issue to begin with. That's not how it works. And you'd also do well to notice that the majority of people are advocating for it to become a solo duty - we're throwing the roulette out the window to begin with so no one is holding onto their precious 'check entry on the daily to-do list'.

And you claim to know what I think.

Not to hell. They have their solution. PF. Did you forget about party finder? People who read extremely quickly can wait. Oh gods.. gods forbid someone waits during these dungeons that happen ONCE each in every characters story. The people who cannot read fast enough? Alright, there's consideration there, but we've gotten no complaints yet. From what I've seen if you read fast enough to read at a speaking speed you're OK. But yes, lets not leave out people with certain disabilities. Maybe also include the text in the chat so they CAN read it at their own pace. There are solutions that can be had for that problem.

I've noticed the people who are advocating for it to be a solo duty, and all the work and development that would entail, which is a highly unlikely course of action for a company that in the past has left old content to rot unless absolutely necessary and even then will take the path of least investment. Throw out roulette, but ask for days of development work instead. Do YOU think SE would pick that avenue? Are you under the impression it would be a quick thing to implement, quick in development terms of course?

I'm not the one complaining it's taking too long now. If that doesn't apply to you, then frankly, mind your own business.

The situation has changed, the pool of people running the dungeons has gotten larger and the possibility for the MSQ roulette to be functional WITHOUT rushing sprouts through their stories or breaking the lines is there. Howbout we see if this works? Right now the only people complaining are the "this used to be leveling checkbox" crowd.

I DON'T think you're against finding a solution. I don't agree with your solution. I think your solution is unlikely and overly involved for such outdated content.

[BillyKaplan]

Do YOU think SE would pick that avenue? Are you under the impression it would be a quick thing to implement, quick in development terms of course?

Of course not, but long term I believe it'd be more beneficial to the game than any Perform revamps they dished out this patch that could harmlessly have come out later.

Right now the only people complaining are the "this used to be leveling checkbox" crowd.

I don't see anyone complaining so much as just not running it. Be it that I'll eventually have to run my alts through it, however, this does in fact concern me regardless.

I think your solution is unlikely and overly involved for such outdated content.

Content all charas have to go through unless they line SE's pockets by buying the story potion. If they were suddenly tweaking Coils, I'd have agreed with you, but they're not.

[Krotoan]

Of course not, but long term I believe it'd be more beneficial to the game than any Perform revamps they dished out this patch that could harmlessly have come out later.

I don't particularly LIKE the perform thing. In fact it's possibly the most personally annoying thing they've implemented in my opinion. I was super happy when they implemented an option to turn it off. But People do like it and use it. You'd be telling people their particular content was less important.

I don't see anyone complaining so much as just not running it. Be it that I'll eventually have to run my alts through it, however, this does in fact concern me regardless.

You don't consider the tens of posts in this very thread saying it's stupid and saying they won't run it complaining? Odd, I do. And when you run your alts through it I personally promise if my sub is still valid to collect 5 of my friends to rush you through it unsynched if you cannot find a PF to do the same. I truly don't think it will be an issue for people who want to rush through it to find people who'll do it.

Content all charas have to go through unless they line SE's pockets by buying the story potion. If they were suddenly tweaking Coils, I'd have agreed with you, but they're not.

I'm never going to convince someone who thinks SE makes every decision in the direction of the cash shop that this was made in the majority of the people experiencing the problems best interest (while of course saving money and encouraging those new players to continue spending money). You have your opinions of SE and I have mine. I'm not arguing the "cash shop is king" line because I think that's idiotic. There are many ways for a company to make money and most of them are very good at making it much less obvious. But if you think that was the driving force behind this decision, my experience trying to convince others that this was likely not the case tells me to just stop.

[BillyKaplan]

I don't particularly LIKE the perform thing. In fact it's possibly the most personally annoying thing they've implemented in my opinion. I was super happy when they implemented an option to turn it off. But People do like it and use it. You'd be telling people their particular content was less important.

From the game's perspective, it factually is.

And when you run your alts through it I personally promise if my sub is still valid to collect 5 of my friends to rush you through it unsynched if you cannot find a PF to do the same.

If I run it unsynced I'll power my alt to 60 in POTD and unsync it myself, that's not the problem. I'll still have to sit through the same cutscenes I don't care about. I just ran it unsynced on a level 70 and I still had to watch the gosh darned cutscenes. They should have at least limited it to there being a first timer in the instance. There isn't? You won, it's going to be a fast roulette. There is? You knew what you were queueing for to begin with so it's all good.

I'm never going to convince someone who thinks SE makes every decision in the direction of the cash shop

You told me I didn't know what you were thinking, so I'll throw that right back at you. I don't think they did it for money, though I can see a lot of people going there to avoid this on alts. I think they picked the path of least resistance without actually checking what resistances would arise as a result.

An aside, it only says the cutscenes will not be skipable on the roulette info page in the duty finder. It says no such thing on the separate duties' pages though it really honestly should.

[Krotoan]

From the game's perspective, it factually is.

from that point of view, yes. From the perspective that all aspects of a game that people enjoy are equally important. No. But then again.. it is perspective.

If I run it unsynced I'll power my alt to 60 in POTD and unsync it myself, that's not the problem. I'll still have to sit through the same cutscenes I don't care about. I just ran it unsynced on a level 70 and I still had to watch the gosh darned cutscenes. They should have at least limited it to there being a first timer in the instance. There isn't? You won, it's going to be a fast roulette. There is? You knew what you were queueing for to begin with so it's all good.

THAT is a problem, I was under the impression since the description WASN'T there in the dutys entry that outside of the roulette it functioned as it always had. That needs to change. Also, this other solution you've proposed ALSO fixes the majority of the problem, perhaps that couldn't be done for the same reason the duty seems to HAVE to have the same restriction. It's a flag that cannot be flipflopped. Just ON or OFF as long as the duty is there. Either way yes, that needs to change for people who want to rerun or speedrun but do not want a 40 minute investment.

You told me I didn't know what you were thinking, so I'll throw that right back at you. I don't think they did it for money, though I can see a lot of people going there to avoid this on alts. I think they picked the path of least resistance without actually checking what resistances would arise as a result.

OK, fair enough that was a large assumption. Personally I cannot see people dropping 18-25 dollars just to skip 2 hours total. That's a lot of money for a minor problem. More than a months sub with extra retainers. Mentioning the pots as an alternative seems ludicrous.
With the addition of that last information about the duties even unsynched having to watch cutscenes at a set pace, I'll say this seems poorly implemented or at least incompletely.

[BillyKaplan]

With the addition of that last information about the duties even unsynched having to watch cutscenes at a set pace, I'll say this seems poorly implemented or at least incompletely.

That's my beef with it. Like everyone here agrees, don't like it, don't run the roulette, and I certainly don't intend to (which has room for debate about how smart a decision that was given roulettes are there to supplement queues, but we'll only know how well that goes with time, it's too soon to judge now). I can get my levels and poetics elsewhere. But this affects more than the roulette goers. I can run it unsynced on a max level chara and still be stuck with the same grueling experience, regardless of how much I care for the scenes or how fast I read it despite being the only person in the instance. That fact becomes all the more horrible when you acknowledge that most scenes have to tell you where to go because of how un-intuitive those dungeons are - even if I wanted to enjoy the story scenes, I'm still stuck with minutes on minutes of that despite knowing full well where to go. And as this is MSQ content, anyone who doesn't buy the story potion is affected. That's the true issue here and why so many people joke about it being a ploy to get story-jump sales up.

[HyoMinPark]

I don't agree with your solution. I think your solution is unlikely and overly involved for such outdated content.

To be fair, the suggestion that Castrum and Praetorium be turned into solo duties is not a new suggestion; it’s something many players have been suggesting for years, and the developers have ignored it and clung to their initial design idea for the two instances, despite admitting that they were poorly designed and having never made any other dungeons like them since.

[Vstarstruck]

To be fair, the suggestion that Castrum and Praetorium be turned into solo duties is not a new suggestion; it’s something many players have been suggesting for years, and the developers have ignored it and clung to their initial design idea for the two instances, despite admitting that they were poorly designed and having never made any other dungeons like them since.

+1, @Krotoan, if they where not interested in changing outdated content, they wouldn't of made this BS change to begin with. Also I am not even going to bother replying to your rant. I find it amusing how people that are more against speed running act more toxic then the group they claim is full of toxicity.

A lot of times when someone is complaining about speed running the reply is "Why not just unsync pf it?" and such replies are even more true when a small pre made group attempts to hold the group hostage since they have the ability to clear it unsync.

And to hell with the new players who don't care, amirite? They also exist. And what about fast readers who'd like to click their own texts? What about slow readers who can't read fast enough before the texts shift over?
This solution doesn't even cover the entirety of the demographic they claim they wanted to cater for.

The problem with both you and Reynhart is that you think if anyone is displeased with this solution, then they're against finding a solution for this period and we should be happy with this new situation just because they addressed the issue to begin with. That's not how it works. And you'd also do well to notice that the majority of people are advocating for it to become a solo duty - we're throwing the roulette out the window to begin with so no one is holding onto their precious 'check entry on the daily to-do list'.

+1 yep it all exists, there are new players that do not care as well and skip them without a thought.

@Reynhart you do realize the people that do come and complain about the MSQ is a tiny minority right? How many people do you think really quit over this? This change hurts more people then it helps.

I was comparing Arf poetic farming to Msq and I was clearly talking about a level 70 player.

Again you are missing the point if the 70 player switches to a new job to level then the player is clearly leveling which means that job is not level 70..

Stop trying to twist what I say. if the player that is queuing into the roulette is on a level 70 job then the roulette is pretty useless. Also in both my post I mentioned players with max levels have no use for this roulette so please why are you talking about level 60s when I mentioned 70s only??

twisting what we say *
the idea is to push queue times down for new people so they can pass the content. I guess longer queue times for new players is better then dealing with speed running. Not exactly something I agree with but whatever. Shocks me to no end there are people defending the change, rofl

That's my beef with it. Like everyone here agrees, don't like it, don't run the roulette, and I certainly don't intend to (which has room for debate about how smart a decision that was given roulettes are there to supplement queues, but we'll only know how well that goes with time, it's too soon to judge now). I can get my levels and poetics elsewhere. But this affects more than the roulette goers. I can run it unsynced on a max level chara and still be stuck with the same grueling experience, regardless of how much I care for the scenes or how fast I read it despite being the only person in the instance. That fact becomes all the more horrible when you acknowledge that most scenes have to tell you where to go because of how un-intuitive those dungeons are - even if I wanted to enjoy the story scenes, I'm still stuck with minutes on minutes of that despite knowing full well where to go. And as this is MSQ content, anyone who doesn't buy the story potion is affected. That's the true issue here and why so many people joke about it being a ploy to get story-jump sales up.

ROFL, you can't skip it undersized, what a joke. I just tried it

[Reynhart]

This change hurts more people then it helps.

Considering none of us can actually provide decent sample of that, I'd refrain from making these kind of assumption.

[Krotoan]

To be fair, the suggestion that Castrum and Praetorium be turned into solo duties is not a new suggestion; it’s something many players have been suggesting for years, and the developers have ignored it and clung to their initial design idea for the two instances, despite admitting that they were poorly designed and having never made any other dungeons like them since.

OK, I can understand that line of thinking. But as I said, how likely is it that they're going to retract that stance and suddenly decide that now 5 year old content needs a rework of that magnitude? I'm not saying your suggestion wouldn't work, just that adjustments to what they've actually done are more likely to happen and would be an easier "sale" for them to adopt. This team is far from infallible, but you get things done with compromise, not with demanding your way or nothing. We understand they are incredibly resistant to changing the actual run, they've settled for fiddling with the nitty gritty of flipping switches in the gates. What would be the best configuration of those switches to make the most people happy? Right now.. admitted after further information, not this one. There is no option to run it quickly anymore so that needs to be put back. But the roulette part I believe can be left alone unless they are irrevocably linked.

+1, @Krotoan, if they where not interested in changing outdated content, they wouldn't of made this BS change to begin with. Also I am not even going to bother replying to your rant. I find it amusing how people that are more against speed running act more toxic then the group they claim is full of toxicity.

ROFL, you can't skip it undersized, what a joke. I just tried it

I'm sorry did it cover too many things that you actually said? I'm done with you then.
you're obviously ignoring things that disagree with you and posting poorly worded garbage. If you'd read ANYTHING in between those posts you'd have seen we've already found unsynched still has the cutscene limit which I concede is a problem.
I will be ignoring the majority of your further posts since you reply to valid criticism with plugged ears. Hope that's what you were going for.