Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[Gemina]

I am a Lvl 70 WHM. I want nothing but mendacity for MSQ roulette. Lots of it. If SE does this, Praetorium and cutscenes here I come!

When then said they would increase the rewards due to the instance taking longer, I totally thought they were going to throw in around 40 of the new tomes because well... it makes freakin sense!

How in the hell do they expect veterans to queue up for this thing with exp and tomes they don't need, or can get faster through other means?

[SoulEchelon]

I'm sure the majority of us want new players to enjoy the cutscenes. I know I always felt bad when I was in a MSQ roulette with new folks who are straight up left in the dust as everyone else bumrushed through the dungeon.

But there MUST be a better way than this.

I'm 100% sure people have already suggested this, but I'll add to the pile: Make it so that the first MSQ run is soloable. Then, once a new player unlocks the MSQ roulette, have them be added to the pool of veterans. This way we vets will still get that lovely new player bonus, while new players will get to enjoy the story for their first run through.

Give them npcs, or use the Squadron system. All of this is already implemented in the game...why can't these systems be used for the MSQ dungeons as well? I just don't understand what they were thinking here. Everyone gets shafted - even the new players. Vets will refuse to join the MSQ thus longer waiting times, and once a new player has finished the dungeons in question, they'll be in the same aggravating boat as us vets.

No one wins with this system.

[Aylis]

I'm 100% sure people have already suggested this, but I'll add to the pile: Make it so that the first MSQ run is soloable. Then, once a new player unlocks the MSQ roulette, have them be added to the pool of veterans. This way we vets will still get that lovely new player bonus, while new players will get to enjoy the story for their first run through.

Give them npcs, or use the Squadron system. All of this is already implemented in the game...why can't these systems be used for the MSQ dungeons as well?

The only issues that arise with npc's is all the interactive elements would need to be disabled. The lore department would have a fit since as I recall some of those interactive elements is what explains why players get that shiny Reaper mount. Squadron doesn't unlock much later in the game too. The lore department would have another fit to retcon a lot of lore to explain why a virtual nobody in terms of story progression is able to command a small battalion.

If its soloable and cleared and they are able to take on the MSQ roulette with vets, technically they cleared it and wouldn't be a new player anymore, they would be a vet too now. So no more new player bonus at all. Unless it was treated as its own thing and in that case it wouldn't be a MSQ thing anymore since that part was already completed.

I do agreeit should be a solo instance, keep the interactive elements at its minimal to keep the lore team happy and still keep story continuity in check. Tone down the dungeon and boss mechanics. Stick Ultima Weapon as an 8 player trial. Drop the places from MSQ roulette totally. New players can still watch all their cut scenes in peace and everyone else can forget these mistakes existed in time.

[Nihility]

personally i feel like this is going to make a non-ideal situation into an absolutely horrible one.

currently we have an easy enough way for people to queue MSQ even if they have to watch the story later or just be left behind.
With a change like this, even if MSQ gave 2000 poetics a run I would find it hard to imagine anyone doing it after a single time having to watch all the scenes making the wait times incredibly long

[MistakeNot]

personally i feel like this is going to make a non-ideal situation into an absolutely horrible one.

currently we have an easy enough way for people to queue MSQ even if they have to watch the story later or just be left behind.
With a change like this, even if MSQ gave 2000 poetics a run I would find it hard to imagine anyone doing it after a single time having to watch all the scenes making the wait times incredibly long

Considering that people wanting to watch the cutscenes during a run of CM/Prae have long been recommended to get a party through PF for this, it is clear that there are players out there who are willing to sit through the cutscenes more than once.
So there will still be people queuing up for the MSQ roulette, even if far fewer than before.

[RubyCirha]

Tbh i feel like they tried to fix a player imposed problem what was stopping people fro watching in the first place pier pressure ? Haters gonna hate just take the carry and watch your CS

[MistakeNot]

Tbh i feel like they tried to fix a player imposed problem what was stopping people fro watching in the first place pier pressure ? Haters gonna hate just take the carry and watch your CS

The cutscenes do not make much sense unless you watch them in conjunction with actually playing through the whole thing.

[LaylaTsarra]

The cutscenes do not make much sense unless you watch them in conjunction with actually playing through the whole thing.

No they don't but the fact of the matter is people who run this daily for experience don't want to watch these cutscenes every day and spend an excessive amount of time doing the duty. That's a fact and it isn't going to change because some appear to have altruistic reasons about letting new people enjoy the cutscenes without interruption.

In my FC circle the consensus is that people are simply not going to run main scenario roulette anymore and queue times which were abysmal before will only get worse for new leafs trying to finish story. I hope we don't but probably will get threads soon with sprouts complaining they can't finish story because the duty won't pop and to please fix it.

I also suspect that SE will get the numbers pretty quickly as to how the roulette is performing and have to make adjustments accordingly.

[Hiply]

Tbh i feel like they tried to fix a player imposed problem what was stopping people fro watching in the first place pier pressure ? Haters gonna hate just take the carry and watch your CS

Yes, peer pressure was exactly what stopped me from getting the story and enjoyment from the cutscenes. I've been MMOing since Asheron's Call launched and yes, I'll sacrifice that enjoyment not to hold up a group. I hate being carried, so no I won't just "take the carry" and yes, I just esc out of them as soon as they pop up. Which is a shame but I also understand veteran players not wanting to stand around while the new guy watches cutscenes.

[hynaku]

They should have just added a option where if picked to watch cut scenes get a big exp. bonus and a cracked crystal or cluster. If you decided not to it stays the same way how it was.