Survey: Community Opinions Regarding Parsing/Parsers in Final Fantasy XIV

[Kazgrel]

LOL at the idea wow is dying because of parsers.

[Deithwen]

Back in my days of silkroad and cabal online the hardest content was reserved for the best groups and guilds, not randoms.

There are good and bad sides of the parser, of which one is impacting the gameplay and community and the other helps your to do as best as it is possible.
I could understand people playing this game for so many years, that all they have left to do in this game is to maximize the performance of each class, but the people who does that really need to ask themself a question, wouldnt it be better if they will play other games instead and get involved into them as much as they do in FF XIV and coming back after new patches? Because any game has just finite amount of playtime it could offer and mmorpg's are not different.
Instead of trying hard and losing nerves, try to play something else, so eventually game developer will make certain activity easier in order to make people playing it and winning it.

So in your point of view, if someone wants to play his job perfectly, it has to be because he is a long time player who has nothing else to ? And he is a try hard losing nerves?

Does it really sound that weird that someone wants to max out his gameplay without being treated as a try hard who should go play another game ?

[Ametrine]

This post on reddit says it all
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...arser/ddyuuck/

There is a literal elephant in the room everyone pro parsing just trying to hide behind the couch, lol.

And, wow, there you go.

It only takes one nightmarishly toxic person to ruin things, but to do so in a huge public event is a special kind of revolting.

And it's already happened in Japan under Yoshi-P's watch.

This is why I think it's a loaded gun. This is a world class player, too.

[Awha]

Define "average player". When the spread is so wide the term doesn't have a lot of meaning.

Going forward I think we will have a better idea as to what they view as average. Though from how they have handled things so far I think they want to make savage content more accessible, and will shift to ultimate being the new form of hardcore endgame content.

So in your point of view, if someone wants to play his job perfectly, it has to be because he is a long time player who has nothing else to ? And he is a try hard losing nerves?

Does it really sound that weird that someone wants to max out his gameplay without being treated as a try hard who should go play another game ?

To be fair not many care if you personally want to play your job perfectly. Many of us in this very thread use ACT. Issue is what a lot of people are saying is asking for an official parser is a waste of breath. As long as Yoshi-P is still in charge of FFXIV I highly doubt he will ever forget the Koike incident and he will use that one case of bad apples to defend his position of no official parser.

Thankfully we have ACT, and I get that screws over console players and players that do not want to use third party programs though clearly SE has expressed they do not care. If those players truly wish to refine their play they will do it. We have options available to the community use them, while many may not be viable to some that is not SE's problem.

[Deithwen]

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I wasn't specifically refering to my case.
I was pointing out the fact that he basiacally put all people who want to actually improve and play their job to their maximum potential in the same back of try hard people who have too much playtime.

Moreover, that Koike incident has nothing to do with parsers. There were just elitist that acted like pricks in the most disgusting way. I fail to see how parsers can be taken for responsible on this incident. Chances are they would have probably done the same thing without ACT.

[Awha]

I wasn't specifically refering to my case.
I was pointing out the fact that he basiacally put all people who want to actually improve and play their job to their maximum potential in the same back of try hard people who have too much playtime.

Moreover, that Koike incident has nothing to do with parsers. There were just elitist that acted like pricks in the most disgusting way. I fail to see how parsers can be taken for responsible on this incident. Chances are they would have probably done the same thing without ACT.

As many have said including myself yes said incident would have happened even without a parse, but do you honestly think Yoshi-P sees it that way? The man before said incident has been vocal about his disdain for damage meters all this incident did was cement his feelings and provides him with an example to justify his stance. As many have already said this is the hill they choose to die on. Unless we as a community can break the stigma Yoshi-P has over meters or offer to buy meters off the mog station lol will be never get an official one.

[LalaRu]

Define "average player".

I guess it can be a non raider, or o1s/o2s struggling. Rotation far from "good" numbers but enough to do duties without much worries.

[Khanscott]

Taking the living testaments to society's failure out of the equation, figure out how much the average DPS you need to pull to clear the enrage time and improve from there as you progress. How is this hard again?

[Tridus]

And that doesnt help, when the dying body is lying on that couch (WoW).

Don't kid yourself. SE would trade subscriber counts with WoW in a heartbeat. The two aren't close. WoW is doing it's usual end of expansion cycle decline, and it'll bounce back as soon as the next one comes out, as it always does (and XIV does the same).

Parsers were in WoW in vanilla, when it did it's rise to become the biggest MMO ever. It's not getting new blood now because at this point everyone who wants to play it already has at some point. It's 13 years old, after all. It's still the biggest MMO by far.

People who think WoW is dying because of parsers are so misinformed that it's comical.

[Nedkel]

So in your point of view, if someone wants to play his job perfectly, it has to be because he is a long time player who has nothing else to ? And he is a try hard losing nerves?

Does it really sound that weird that someone wants to max out his gameplay without being treated as a try hard who should go play another game ?

If they start to demand from the other players to do as good as possible and not themselves, then yes they could use a break from the game because it will not get better at this point, and it will frustrate the longer they play the game, turning it into something thats the game is not supposed to be like.
Its just a stupid game afterall and you could see guys freaking out on someone who doesnt use aoe's as frequently as he "supposed" to do. Its easy to drop a lot of dps simply by not using aoe, for whatever reason someone had in RL. I found myself not being able to do a proper pulls when someone is talking to me.