Survey: Community Opinions Regarding Parsing/Parsers in Final Fantasy XIV

[Bobs]

Does anyone here speak/read Japanese?

Do they ever ask for a parser on the JP player side of things? (JP Forum)

[Metalwrath]

Does anyone here speak/read Japanese?

Do they ever ask for a parser on the JP player side of things? (JP Forum)

Isnt console gaming still much bigger than pc gaming over there?
And if thats the case then they are much likely to ever have used a game with parsers so the demand i'd imagine would be much lower.

[Awha]

Does anyone here speak/read Japanese?

Do they ever ask for a parser on the JP player side of things? (JP Forum)

Not sure, I do believe they use ACT only issue I have ever seen regarding JP and parse was “Koike incident”.

A female player and celebrity named Miyu Koike, who also happened to be the host for FFXIV’s official Nico Nico channel show, had an incident she attempted to recruit 7 other players to play with her (this was broadcasted live at that time).
Abyss of Darkness, a world 3rd Japanese group for Final Coil clear then sneaked into the party (6 of them), streaming themselves through an unofficial channel and then made fun of Koike through slanders, spinning the boss around, and made fun of her DPS performance. Worse, Koike was also sexually harassed when the party disbands.
This prompted the Japanese community to punish the group sending hundreds of naked Roegadyns (Hageruga Matsuri, see below). As a result, these trolls ended up changing their names, servers, deleted their Twitter accounts, issued a non sincere apology through their Nicovideo live broadcast (which further angered the community).
Finally the group ended up a temporary ban given by the lead community representative, Foxclon himself.
The incident did not end in a sweet note, therefore the members involved are monitored. However, most of the players either quit the game entirely, deleted their characters, transferred servers, or changed their name and stayed low profile ever since.

From reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ingame_parser/

Think reddit got it from https://www9.atwiki.jp/aodff14/pages/14.html

Not sure do not read Japanese. Though if this was case, I really do not see Yoshi-P forgetting about it anytime soon even if the community does. Sad thing is without a parse it would not have changed much, just so happens this will be what they will use to defend their no parse stance as a company, and I cannot blame them for them to risk is far too great I guess.

[Kacho_Nacho]

Alexander intervened and moved your post to where it needed to be seen.

Thanks Alexander!

And... thank you for clearing that up, Tridus.

[Sacred_Nym]

Isnt console gaming still much bigger than pc gaming over there?
And if thats the case then they are much likely to ever have used a game with parsers so the demand i'd imagine would be much lower.

While true, MMOs are kind of an exception to the rule. There's a much greater portion of PC players to Console players in MMOs than there are in other genres.

[Vstarstruck]

You've posted multiple times about how harassment is against the ToS now, so from that we can infer that you believe, for whatever reason, that harassment will be okay if an official parser is released. I fail to see how you flip-flopping your stance from to addresses that.



Some people actually believe that doing more damage is better than slightly decreasing the amount of overhealing the healers do. Crazy right?

For " addressing that" I did, one was with reference to WoW, the other is to FFXIV. I can't help people can't follow what I say.

For Tenacity, that is being misinformed, people do not do that at all. What people do is debate full ten builds vs getting Tenacity on gear and with DH melds basically and making sure you get x tier of Tenacity before going all out in DH, depending on the build it is only 1-3% mitigation for some increase in dps (varies) Tenacity is not really a finished stat, more like beta since it is new anyway.

I may be wrong but I believe you can't do this because there's separate chat servers for the overworld and in instances. I was only around for the beta and returned for the beginning of HW so I can't speak for ARR but I believe for a long time you couldn't send messages to free companies or linkshells while in a dungeon either? I don't think it's a case of censoring so much as a technical issue.

As for the feast, pvp is known to bring out the worst in people. I've seen far more toxicity from pvp in any given game than I have from a parser. PvP games in general are known to have far greater levels of hostility because the playerbase is essentially pitted against itself. Parsers don't inherently pit people against eachother and most people clearly don't care to compete. Even those that do care for a parser mainly want it to either a) improve themselves or b) see that everyone else is contributing fairly. The latter point can be a cause of contention because fair contribution depends on who you ask but given the average player you'll run into in-game is generally pleasant I doubt we'll see a massive spike in "you're doing 2 dps lower than you should" monsters crawling out of the woodwork like people seem to think..

No it is intentional censorship, I need to find where it was commented. Seem to be having issues to finding the reference with them commenting on it though. It is not hard though esp now you can send tells to people to other servers now and WoW has full chat in and out in duties.

I am not sure what your point is with the PvP comments, but it is the same general idea. They should not be censorship our tools (chat) to communicate. Why not just remove the game mode altogether if they can't handle the GM call volume, hey it may let te GM staff enough wiggle room to deal with parser based issues.

"We already have people who use FFLogs to exclude others from PF farm parties (exactly the other behavior Yoshi-P expressly feared and wanted to avoid); even if the overall playerbase skill did improve, the behavior of these sorts of people would not. It's not "we don't care about PS4 players", it's "we care about not losing players due to others' poisonous behavior and we aren't going to officially enable those actions by providing ingame tools." Right now, they can ban for acting like that by using your parser as a TOS violation. If they implemented one ingame, they'd have no recourse to fall back on.

Some people will inevitably say "but Alvatore, if you don't perform well, you're a scrub and you deserve to be shamed or excluded or treated poorly or shunned and forced to transfer/uninstall" and to you people I say "holy ****, it's a game. Reality-check yourself and your priorities."

So yeah FFXIV is built big on censorship, public parser will never happen, people need to be requesting some kind of personal motoring performance tool, that is the only way you have a chance in getting something.

If you want to use the numbers (pun intended), it would appear that in this subset of the community (the forum reading one), that the one not understanding would be you, not me, as indicated by the number of likes my posts have received versus yours.

You never answered me, what exactly is your main point trying to mislead people parser harassment does not happen? looks like someone found the story I was talking about:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ingame_parser/
Full public parser will never happen for this game, PERIOD! No matter how much one single person in a vocal minority tries to claim it is not an issue. I find it funny and semi ironic someone being semi-passive aggressive is trying to argue there is no issues with parsers.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...70#post4535170

Wanna know why that happens? in WoW you are not in the general average public, where in ffxiv you are putting your self in it. Simple. You do not know WoW's common because you do not put your self in it. Despite this and your list with problems you seen in the general public of FFXIV, you do not see full public parsers making it worse? this is the internet, keep this in mind.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

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That reddit thread is plagued with so many disingenuous assertions and assumption is hurts to read. One I find particularly egregious:

We already have people who use FFLogs to exclude others from PF farm parties (exactly the other behavior Yoshi-P expressly feared and wanted to avoid); even if the overall playerbase skill did improve, the behavior of these sorts of people would not. It's not "we don't care about PS4 players", it's "we care about not losing players due to others' poisonous behavior and we aren't going to officially enable those actions by providing ingame tools." Right now, they can ban for acting like that by using your parser as a TOS violation. If they implemented one ingame, they'd have no recourse to fall back on.

Bullshit. Unless they abruptly rescind their harassment policies, anyone crossing the line would be rightfully reprimanded. Instead, we have silent kicks or party disbands because we can't mention who the weak link is. I suppose I'll never understand how people can make such a quantum leap in logic. "SE will completely ignore their own harassment policies and allow toxicity if an in-game parser were implemented."

I find it funny and semi ironic someone being semi-passive aggressive is trying to argue there is no issues with parsers.

And I tire of you repeatedly reading only what you want to. No one, ever, in any of the what, four parse threads that have been on the main page over the last month, have claimed parsers have no issues. Only you have insisted this nonsense. We all acknowledge there will be abuse, just like people abuse Vote Kick and etc. What we actually argue is the positives will outweigh the negatives, and bad applies should be properly reprimanded.

[Awha]

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I agree the thread itself is annoying to read but the incident and who it happened to makes it highly unlikely Yoshi-P will ever add an official parse. Thankfully we have unofficial one, and I highly doubt they will ever go out their way to break ACT. If ACT was not a thing all things staying the same the incident would not have been prevented, I just do not see Yoshi-P backing down from his position. Just as I do not see him reverting the changes to feast, or other adjustments or limitations in placed to prevent one thing or another.

I agree SE will still police just as hard as they do now, I just think this is one of those topics that they look for any excuse to not bother with it, and this one incident will be all the fuel they need to more or less support their no official parse. It sucks, but to a certain degree I am fine with it. It is not l like we are without the tool. Sure it sucks for those that are on console or refuse to use a third party program, but end of the day is that really SE problem? I mean people would have a better case if no other option was available. We do though granted for some they are not optimal, but what can you do. Asking for an official parse is akin to asking them to allow us to mail between alts or have them bring back pvp chat in feast. Prob will not happen since SE is stuck in their ways.

For us we view it as the positives will outweigh the negatives, but I do not think SE shares that position and if SE reads the forums the clear divided between the forum user base and the incident provides them with enough "data" to support whatever position they desire. I get where people are coming from, but I do feel this is one of those topics that will always result in 'no'

SE often does things to the extreme. Loooking at you removal of chat in pvp.

[KrenianKandos]

What we actually argue is the positives will outweigh the negatives, and bad applies should be properly reprimanded.

Only thing I will comment as I honestly have no skin in this game is that this won't ever happen when and if they are officially allowed. Bad apples run amok in nearly all games that allow parsers with little to no backlash. One just needs to look at the biggest MMO subbed game to see that happen.

While they've started to look into it and shown initiatives of dealing with bullying online, with this not being 'official', the bullying of said points doesn't happen as often. Simply put because the general public does not really care about loading up ACT for their sake.

It's a bit like opening Pandora's box once you add parsers in game. To me, I just don't see any point for S-E to change their current stance: Don't worry about ACT but act if someone's reported for being a douche and there's a notification that ACT was used to be said douche.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

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I have to agree. This does seem to be the hill they want to die on. Unfortunately, I feel strongly they will never close the gap between skilled players and bad ones. Stormblood attempted that with the whole gauge deal and nothing changed. Plenty of people wanted a simplified version, which sort of defeated the whole point, though I do actually like being able to freely move it around. Either way, we know they don't mind ACT. That's good at least.