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    Quote Originally Posted by Vstarstruck View Post
    I am not a 5 year old, you can talk about one's dps without a parser and without harassment. I am always been referring to harassment based on parsers, as in, something wouldn't happen if the person was not using them, like kick abuse, repeatably being vulgar, telling people to uninstall and die, making people feel bad because some healer or tank has more DPS then someone on DPS job, etc... You did not give support to anything other then proving my point, like the other poster tried to explain, it is from your limited range of people that you deal with, to make it seem parser harassment is at a minimum on wow. ON FFXIV the only reason you do not see it a lot is because most people know they will be easily hit by a GM when it is reported, and yet PEOPLE STILL DO IT, rarely, but the fact remains it still happens when it is a ToS violation, what do you think will happen if they allow public parers? GM calls be flooded with complaints. That is another reason they do not want to open Pandora's box, it is quite clear they do not get a lot of budget and a small GM team, they wouldn't be able to handle the volume of calls it would bring, on top of large skill gaps, you are just playing with fire, releasing a public parser in this game's state.

    I need to preface two things here:

    First, I do agree that parser harassment exist. As to how much obviously depends on someone's POV.

    Second: Just by going from "The tales of DF", its clear that people have different views on what is harassment and I'll explain below.

    With that out of the way...

    When it comes to the first and second bolded part, I'm left confused. You see, for awhile now, one of the more most common points that anti-parsers make is that there will be more harassment than before. Plus you mention they wouldn't happen without a parser. So I read the bolded parts and then I think this:


    kick abuse: Happens already except you have to ask yourself which is worse: the person kicking because they feel like you're the one doing bad dps or they kick because they actually have a tool that literally proves you're doing bad dps? And this is just the worst of scenarios, in which the kick abuser's some idiot who only looks at numbers, for better lack of word. What if the kick abuser, in a better scenario, actually understands how to use and operate a parser and has no other recourse but to kick you, as civilly as possible? Is that still a form of harassment?

    repeatably being vulgar:Here's an hypothetical here: Today, Ben and Jane-with the "don't ask, don't tell" parser policy-decide to join a savage run seperately. Ben's a total dick all day and all night. Jane's a good natured played. They both parse silently. Someone keeps wiping the raid in both of their runs. Ben being Ben harasses the unskilled player without the mention of a parser. He gets reported anyways and gets a strike. Jane on the other hand, simply mentions that it doesn't work out and states matters as-of-factly. She hopes the unskilled player gets better and disbands.

    With your statement, you're making sounds as if tomorrow, if the parse policy would get lifted, Ben gets a full license to be an ass without sanction and since you say "there will be more", Jane will be a full on bitch with the parser. Except we already know harassment in any shape or form, gets punished.

    And this is where my second preface point comes in: We know there's people who view being called out as harassment. Is the "more harassment" you speak of include Jane's civil treatment of the unskilled player? Because if it is, then yes, ironically you'd be right: there will be "more harassment".


    telling people to uninstall and die: already happens and this doesn't even occur just in raiding. PvP has been at times rife with this. Again, still not okay regardless of circumstances and since this is a death threat, there's a great likely hood that the person who says it either gets banned outright or even perma-banned. Its not the use of a parser under our current policy that's holding people back and even if it did exist, that still would not be what would push them to say it or not say it. TL;DR :its not a parser that's going to influence someone to tell someone else to die.

    making people feel bad because some healer or tank has more DPS then someone on DPS job: And this here, I feel is the crux of what all this anti-parse point is about. Again, using the small sample from "The tales of DF" thread, people have proven to be very aggressive against any form of callout. They can't handle accountability, they can't handle being told "you're dps is not great" even in the most neutral of sayings. I've seen the screenshots. I've seen those people calling others toxic for it and that for them, its harassment.

    So I have to ask again: when someone says "there will be more harassment", do they mean the above? Do they mean that, since they view being called out (even civilly) as harassment, there will be more of that?

    Its something anti-parsers who use that as their main argument need to think about. Because as long as you view accountability as harassment, then yes: there would be more of it.

    As for the rest of of your post: If that's how you envision's the FF14 staff, then naturally you'd come to the conclusion that they'd get swamped with reports.
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