Survey: Community Opinions Regarding Parsing/Parsers in Final Fantasy XIV

[Sebazy]

Wow it is common then again any kind of harassment is common in wow, as well as going to further drastic measures then this game. My only point is for this game specifically, if parser harassment exists when it is a ToS violation, it will only increase if a public one is made

But what is this assumption based on?

Remember that WoW is built on very different foundations to FFXIV. WoW is designed to be competitive and generate angst within it's player base. The faction v faction element runs through it's very core and certainly extended into PvE content back when I used to play (Launch to BC).

One example of this would be to think about what is considered acceptable within the community within both games. A good starting point would simply be WoW's /spit emote, this sort of behaviour is typically seen as 'acceptable' (Personally I think it's an absolutely disgusting thing to have in a game), something that is reinforced by virtue of that emote being there. On the flipside of the coin, imagine if I went over to Ensemble or some other rival progression FC's house and started throwing out '/em spits on %t' at various people. I'd likely burn every bridge with that FC, earn a firm warning from a GM and get kicked and disowned from my own FC to boot. And rightfully so too, that would be utterly disgraceful behaviour, that's a view I suspect everyone would share, regardless of if they are a raider or casual.

WoW and FFXIV's communities are very very different, this is why I don't think that your assumptions are particularly fair or accurate.

As I said though, it is only bound to get worse with a public one, and I think they are scared of GM call volume on that and if they can handle it.

Legitimate question here, have you actually reported a case of harassment that required a GM's response? Credit where credit is due, SE's GM team are exceptionally hot on this sort of stuff. From what experiences I have (Such as a healer that was trolling in Rabanastre a few months back) they've always been on the ball.

[Moonlite]

Legitimate question here, have you actually reported a case of harassment that required a GM's response? Credit where credit is due, SE's GM team are exceptionally hot on this sort of stuff. From what experiences I have (Such as a healer that was trolling in Rabanastre a few months back) they've always been on the ball.

Honest question. You feel the GMs actually work better in 14 then in WoW. In WoW action was generally swift and sure. Half the GMs in 14 can't even work out some of the rules. Sometimes the dev teams takes weeks to answer if stuff is an actual violation. Also the one time in WoW I had a problem, I had a follow up tell that they wouldn't be bothering anyone for a few days and if they bothered again ask for GM "damn can't remember his name". The couple interactions have seemed to be swift, but did not leave me feeling confident that anything happened. Others I know nothing has happened, for whatever reason SE reacts to cheating.

My biggest issue is lack of community policing that cross server systems create. In 11 and Pre late lich king WoW the community punished those who had issues. This person loots bad, this person boots for friends, this person leaves mid pulls, this person is offensive, and so on. It was always a quick shout any time they tried to create groups. Modern MMO just doesn't have this anymore. Can't even post actual text from game people say, might hurt someones rep even though they typed it.

[Vstarstruck]

But what is this assumption based on?

Way people act, if people parser harass now when it violates the ToS and "You do not pay for my sub" is very common to run into, you honestly doubt it would happen?

Legitimate question here, have you actually reported a case of harassment that required a GM's response? Credit where credit is due, SE's GM team are exceptionally hot on this sort of stuff. From what experiences I have (Such as a healer that was trolling in Rabanastre a few months back) they've always been on the ball.

Yeah, but.. I am confused.. since that has nothing to do with what I was saying, why are you asking that?

Honest question. You feel the GMs actually work better in 14 then in WoW. In WoW action was generally swift and sure. Half the GMs in 14 can't even work out some of the rules. Sometimes the dev teams takes weeks to answer if stuff is an actual violation. Also the one time in WoW I had a problem, I had a follow up tell that they wouldn't be bothering anyone for a few days and if they bothered again ask for GM "damn can't remember his name". The couple interactions have seemed to be swift, but did not leave me feeling confident that anything happened. Others I know nothing has happened, for whatever reason SE reacts to cheating.

My biggest issue is lack of community policing that cross server systems create. In 11 and Pre late lich king WoW the community punished those who had issues. This person loots bad, this person boots for friends, this person leaves mid pulls, this person is offensive, and so on. It was always a quick shout any time they tried to create groups. Modern MMO just doesn't have this anymore. Can't even post actual text from game people say, might hurt someones rep even though they typed it.

Oh ya wow is def better with its gms, prob a funding thing

[HoodRat]

Others I know nothing has happened, for whatever reason SE reacts to cheating.

There's a joke I read on Reddit: you're far more likely to be banned for hurting someone's feelings than you are for blatantly hacking.

Way people act, if people parser harass now when it violates the ToS

Once again: even if an official parser is released, harassment will still be against the ToS. This is starting to look like those healer dps threads where the pro side kept saying one thing and the anti said kept arguing against something no one even said ever.

[Vstarstruck]

There's a joke I read on Reddit: you're far more likely to be banned for hurting someone's feelings than you are for blatantly hacking.



Once again: even if an official parser is released, harassment will still be against the ToS. This is starting to look like those healer dps threads where the pro side kept saying one thing and the anti said kept arguing against something no one even said ever.

I addressed comments like that already:

ON FFXIV the only reason you do not see it a lot is because most people know they will be easily hit by a GM when it is reported, and yet PEOPLE STILL DO IT, rarely, but the fact remains it still happens when it is a ToS violation, what do you think will happen if they allow public parers? GM calls be flooded with complaints. That is another reason they do not want to open Pandora's box, it is quite clear they do not get a lot of budget and a small GM team, they wouldn't be able to handle the volume of calls it would bring, on top of large skill gaps, you are just playing with fire, releasing a public parser in this game's state.