Is it time for relics to be the same ilevel as savage weapons?

[Sylvina]

Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them toxic =(

No, but they don't have to word their posts in a way which sounds really condescending towards anyone who doesn't enjoy the hardest content, and I say this as someone who does.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

You can't mindlessly do Rabanastre that's utter bull. you can't "Mindlessly" do any current dungeon for that matter. You need some level of effort to get anywhere at max level it just is a matter of whether its a little effort or a lot.

I am getting real sick of your mentality, its really deragatory toward anyone who doesn't enjoy playing the same way as you.

... yes, you can. I pulled a three pack of mobs on Samurai with Hyomin and she barely needed to heal me. Likewise, due to how woefully undergeared the tank was, I ripped hate constantly and essentially tanked all three bosses; on a DPS. Going one better, if you don't collect the gold Yojimbo drops, he does a measly 15k aoe and nothing else. I want to play the version of FFXIV you have because mine has laughably easy dungeons I barely pay attention in unless I'm doing mega pulls. Those can be fun.

[Sylvina]

... yes, you can. I pulled a three pack of mobs on Samurai with Hyomin and she barely needed to heal me. Likewise, due to how woefully undergeared the tank was, I ripped hate constantly and essentially tanked all three bosses; on a DPS. Going one better, if you don't collect the gold Yojimbo drops, he does a measly 15k aoe and nothing else. I want to play the version of FFXIV you have because mine has laughably easy dungeons I barely pay attention in unless I'm doing mega pulls. Those can be fun.

Nothing you said implies you could simply roll your face on the keyboard to not die while you pulled. Stop hugely exaggerating when you think something is too easy and instead say something like "This isn't challenging enough for me, can I please get a hard mode for this where mobs hit like trucks on nitrous instead of just trucks"

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Nothing you said implies you could simply roll your face on the keyboard to not die while you pulled. Stop hugely exaggerating when you think something is too easy and instead say something like "This isn't challenging enough for me, can I please get a hard mode for this where mobs hit like trucks on nitrous instead of just trucks"

It isn't an exaggeration. If a DPS can tank bosses and even a single trash pack, in what universe isn't that faceroll easy? It literally demonstrates how incredibly easy the content is, which is why tanks do room to room pulls almost unanimously. You won't need a cooldown otherwise. That isn't me thinking the game is too easy but the game proving it.

[Sylvina]

It isn't an exaggeration. If a DPS can tank bosses and even a single trash pack, in what universe isn't that faceroll easy? It literally demonstrates how incredibly easy the content is, which is why tanks do room to room pulls almost unanimously. You won't need a cooldown otherwise. That isn't me thinking the game is too easy but the game proving it.

and its people like you who I'd insta block and never want to meet in game. if one thing gets my goat its people who insist the game is too easy and keep demanding it be made harder for everyone. Games far harder than a lot of other MMOs according to a lot of people in this thread even, and you wont admit that the game isn't as easy as you continue to insist it is.

[Mikey_R]

If people aren't going to raid, why does their character need gear equal to or better than raid gear?

As a Tank, it allows bigger pulls in dungeons due to higher HP and Defence, also, higher enmity gains due to more damage and thats not counting just killing things quicker in general.

As a DPS, it allows pulls and bosses to be killed quicker, which means less resources used with tanks and healers to keep tanks alive and less resources used by DPS to kill packs, which means you are less likely to run out half way through, and your dps plummets as a result.

As a healer, stronger shields and regens means you need to directly heal less often, which means more DPS and an easier time healing the tank.

Basically, it makes content easier by making the healing, tanking and dps checks more forgiving, and this isn't just in dungeons, this also applies to EX primals and Savage and to a much much lower degree, Ultimate (an extra 40 stat points technicaly makes things easier, but you probably aren't going to notice it).

The only other thing to then consider is mechanics in fights, and gear doesn't help there in regards to executing them, that's down to player skill.

So really, they need it in the same way people need better gear for savage, to make margins of error bigger and more lenient.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

and its people like you who I'd insta block and never want to meet in game. if one thing gets my goat its people who insist the game is too easy and keep demanding it be made harder for everyone. Games far harder than a lot of other MMOs according to a lot of people in this thread even, and you wont admit that the game isn't as easy as you continue to insist it is.

And yet instead of refuting my actual arguments, you instantly resort to threats of blocking. I suppose I should expect little else from someone who still called BS on how low dedicated healing was required for dungeons despite logs and video evidence proving otherwise. So please, do explain to us all how a DPS being able to tank bosses, healers only needing to heal 15-20% and tanks only requiring cooldowns on mass pulls isn't faceroll. Only you have been insisted FFXIV is far harder than it actually is; so opposed to the mere idea people disagree, you attack the slightest bit of criticism towards difficulty.

[PArcher]

You can't mindlessly do Rabanastre that's utter bull. you can't "Mindlessly" do any current dungeon for that matter. You need some level of effort to get anywhere at max level it just is a matter of whether its a little effort or a lot.

You can 100% do everything current up to O3S mindlessly and do well. It doesn't take any effort to perform your role at a basic level (especially since the basics of your job should be hardwired into your muscle memory), and just a little more to do well in non-raid content (including the 24-mans). Dodge AoEs, AoE groups of mobs, do your rotation on bosses. That's 99% of dungeons and 24-mans. Nothing hard at all.

[HoodRat]

So really, they need it in the same way people need better gear for savage, to make margins of error bigger and more lenient.

I understand that, however that's not what I'm arguing against.

This is what I'm arguing against.

It's not a matter of whether you need the gear or not that's irrelevant, you dont NEED to be playing the game at all.

People want the best gear they can get for their character because people enjoy improving their character. that is the motivation for getting gear. not necessity for sure.

The relic should at least be equal when finished to raid weapons. doesn't have to be better but it needs to be on the same level or why bother?

"People don't need to have the best gear in the game, they just want to get the best gear they can, and that's why the relic should be at least tied with the best weapon in the game."

[Texa]

You can't mindlessly do Rabanastre that's utter bull.

I can heal it on sch from 6 feet away from my screen lying down in bed. So long as markers are down and you aren't unlucky enough to get an ENTIRE party of new people it's very routine now.